[FRPythoneers] Re: VB/Python article....
jafo at tummy.com
Tue Jun 5 14:59:49 MDT 2001
On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 08:35:39AM -0600, Clementson, Bill wrote:
>IMHO the gui-building capabilities of IDE's are a bit over-rated. Many
Yeah, I think having a stand-alone GUI builder is better than building it
into an IDE. Usually because I find the environment provided by an IDE to
be annoying... IDEs are great, as long as you work the way they expect you
to. I usually find them too requiring of mousing for my tastes. They seem
like they're mostly written by and/or for people who can't touch-type...
>companies will not allow code generated with such products to be used in
>production software as the code doesn't meet internal code standards. In
>practice, I suspect that in many corporate environments, IDE's are used
Good point. Not only do many of the Wizards generate really crappy code,
they generate MEGABYTES of crappy code...
>simply as high-cost code editors/debuggers. IDE gui-builders are great for
And usually the editors are pretty pathetic... If it doesn't do vi
emulation (even passable vi emulation), I won't even consider it. I've
used vi for 15 years -- I *THINK* in vi, and I'm fast in vi.
>beginners learning gui programming (although there are good reasons to not
>use them when learning gui programming as well) and for prototyping.
It's not just useful for beginners, it's also good for those of us who
don't do a lot of GUI programming. Especially when you're mucking around
with packing options and the like... "What happens when I twiddle this
option?" But, I don't think there really needs to be an editor, debugger,
and runtime environment wrapped up into the GUI builder...
>If you are interested in having a look at a Python IDE, have a look at Boa
>Constructor. It is similar to VB in it's approach to gui construction. Note
Is that looking any good these days? I looked at it about 6 months ago and
it was pretty much unusable, but it sounded like what I wanted. Plus, they
have a great name...
>> is in a similar boat. A VB user should not be asking me to
>> build an IDE.
>Unless, of course, they are throwing a lot of money at you :)
Even then -- I just don't *REALLY* understand where they're coming from.
Give me X with a butt-load of terminal windows and I'm happy as a clam.
Need an IDE under Windows? Load up VMWare, load Linux, and run X on your
SMB shares, then periodically run your code on the Windows side... ;-)
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