From jdewitt at frii.com  Sat Mar  1 10:41:29 2003
From: jdewitt at frii.com (James DeWitt)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] March NCLUG Meeting
Message-ID: <20030212044358.033E0EF101@cyrix.home.bogus>

Hi NCLUGers,

What: March NCLUG Meeting
When: Tuesday March 4th, 6pm
Where: Home State Bank, 303 E. Mountain Ave (map on the website)
Food afterwards: Rasta Pasta, 200 Walnut

Presenter: Sean Reifschneider
Topic: User-Mode Linux -- Your Own Personal Mainframe

User-mode Linux is a port of the Linux kernel to run on an existing
system.  The product of the kernel build is an ELF executable which you
can run as a normal user to boot the new kernel.  Disc, network, and
console devices are emulated -- and from the outside you can send
"Control-Alt-Delete" and "Reset" signals.

This was initially meant to make it easier to develop non-hardware parts
of the kernel.  Attaching a debugger to the kernel is easy...  Imagine
being able to simulate a cluster of machines on a single computer, and
that disc corruption can be recovered from by simply deleting a file
that lists the changes from a baseline file-system image...

User-mode Linux provides all this and more.  Sean Reifschneider of
tummy.com, ltd. will discuss and demonstrate user-mode Linux and it's
features and benefits.

Sean Reifschneider is a Member of Technical Staff for tummy.com, ltd., a
local Fort Collins Linux consultancy.  We specialize in security
consulting, providing Linux expertise to our clients, hosting and
preventing problems before they occur.

See you there!

-- 
James DeWitt
jdewitt@verinet.com


From listz at hate.cx  Sat Mar  1 11:19:50 2003
From: listz at hate.cx (listz@hate.cx)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Courier-IMAP + pam_tally
Message-ID: <20030301181950.GL31870@chaos.enmity.org>

i've tried asking this question on the courier-imap mailing list to no avail, so
i thought maybe someone on the list would have had experience with this. I've
added:

auth       required     /lib/security/pam_nologin.so onerr=fail
auth       required     /lib/security/pam_tally.so no_magic_root
account    required     /lib/security/pam_tally.so deny=3 no_magic_root reset

to my imap and pop3 files in /etc/pam.d, and i guess it sort of works. pam_tally
will increment on every login, which it should, but it never resets on a
successful login, nor does it ever deny when the tally reaches 3. so, does
anyone have any ideas? it works just dandy in /etc/pam.d/sshd.

<EOF>
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 people by the people for the people."
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statik@hate.cx / security engineer \ "My God, it's full of stars..."
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From somlo at acns.colostate.edu  Sat Mar  1 15:13:27 2003
From: somlo at acns.colostate.edu (Gabriel L. Somlo)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] sed help ?
In-Reply-To: <gfzq7x2s5.fsf@brand.scrye.com>
References: <20030301000021.GA20980@hedwig.acns.colostate.edu> <200302281729.30683.dolmant@engr.colostate.edu> <gfzq7x2s5.fsf@brand.scrye.com>
Message-ID: <20030301221325.GA22231@hedwig.acns.colostate.edu>

Hi,

Thanks to all who replied !

>
>   cat foo | sed -e '/some pattern/,+1d' > bar
>
Unfortunately, the 'sed' I have on RedHat8.0 doesn't take kindly to
this:

	sed: -e expression #1, char 11: Unexpected ','

> 
>   perl -lnwe '( $skip || /.../ ) && ( $skip = !$skip, 1 ) || print'
> 

This actually worked :) However, from looking at the file I'm editing
again, it turns out I need to remove the matching line, the line
immediately before it, and the line immediately after it... This
immediately eliminates any 'streaming' or 'filter' approach... :(

I know, trying to get 'users' to actually tell you what they *really*
want is always the hardest part :) :)

Turns out good old 'ed' is what really does the job:

	echo -e "/some_pattern\n-1,+1d\nw" | ed my_file.html > /dev/null 2>&1

It's doing the edit 'in place' instead of streaming, but that's really
OK given that I need to go back and forth inside the file to get what
I want...

Thanks,

Gabriel

From jdewitt at frii.com  Sat Mar  1 22:06:30 2003
From: jdewitt at frii.com (James DeWitt)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Request for Projector for March NCLUG Meeting
Message-ID: <20030212044358.033E0EF101@cyrix.home.bogus>

Hi NCLUGers,

Sorry for the late notice.

Due to the unfortunate departure of our leader, Matt Taggart, we may not 
have access to an LCD projector for our meetings.  If anyone is able to 
borrow one or can tell me where to rent one (inexpensively), please let 
me know.

Thank you,

James DeWitt
jdewitt@verinet.com

---------
What: March NCLUG Meeting
When: Tuesday March 4th, 6pm
Where: Home State Bank, 303 E. Mountain Ave (map on the website)
Food afterwards: Rasta Pasta, 200 Walnut

Presenter: Sean Reifschneider
Topic: User-Mode Linux -- Your Own Personal Mainframe

See you there!


From tkil at scrye.com  Sun Mar  2 00:39:22 2003
From: tkil at scrye.com (Tkil)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] sed help ?
In-Reply-To: <20030301221325.GA22231@hedwig.acns.colostate.edu>
References: <20030301000021.GA20980@hedwig.acns.colostate.edu>
	<200302281729.30683.dolmant@engr.colostate.edu>
	<gfzq7x2s5.fsf@brand.scrye.com>
	<20030301221325.GA22231@hedwig.acns.colostate.edu>
Message-ID: <gheammd3p.fsf@brand.scrye.com>

>>>>> "Gabriel" == Gabriel L Somlo <somlo@acns.colostate.edu> writes:

Gabriel> However, from looking at the file I'm editing again, it turns
Gabriel> out I need to remove the matching line, the line immediately
Gabriel> before it, and the line immediately after it... This
Gabriel> immediately eliminates any 'streaming' or 'filter'
Gabriel> approach... :(

Not really; the filter just has to be a bit smarter:

  perl -lnwe 'if    (/pattern/) { $skip = 1;
                                  $last = undef }
              elsif ( $skip )   { $skip = 0 }
              else              { print $last if defined $last;
                                  $last = $_ }
              END               { print $last }'

Note that this is definitely getting to the point where I'd most
likely put this in a script, and not have insanity like this on my
command line anymore.  :)

This is another adventure in program specification, as well.  Now you
have to address these questions, too:

1. What do you do when /pattern/ matches the first line in the file?
   The last?

2. As well as worrying about two consecutive lines matching /pattern/,
   you also now need to worry about /pattern/ matching two lines
   seperated by one line.

   Meaning, if you had this text:

      one
      two
      three
      pattern
      five
      pattern
      seven
      eight
      nine
      ten

   What would you expect / require the result to be?  I see two
   "reasonable" interpretations; the first is more local, and I call
   it the "streaming" view -- you really care only about the lines
   literally neighboring the pattern.  The output of this filter would
   be:

      one
      two
      eight
      nine
      ten

   The other view is more "iterative"; after you remove any set of
   line / matching-line / line, re-match against the entire file.  The
   first pass would leave us with:

      one
      two
      pattern
      seven
      eight
      nine
      ten

   Since we matched, we have to iterate over the entire file again,
   yielding:

      one
      eight
      nine
      ten

   Needless to say, my filter (above) implements the "easier"
   streaming model.

Gabriel> Turns out good old 'ed' is what really does the job:

Gabriel> 	echo -e "/some_pattern\n-1,+1d\nw" |
Gabriel> 	  ed my_file.html > /dev/null 2>&1

Gabriel> It's doing the edit 'in place' instead of streaming, but
Gabriel> that's really OK given that I need to go back and forth
Gabriel> inside the file to get what I want...

If you really want in-place editing, perl emulates it with the "-i"
flag.  (To be honest, though, i don't know how well it interacts with
the END block above!)

Glad to hear that 'ed' worked for you.  If you ever need to hammer on
a huge file, though, remember that you can still apply streaming
methods, you just have to have (more) stateful filters.

t.

p.s. I just saw this particularly flagrant abuse of 'sed' on the
     linux-kernel mailing list.  If I understood 'sed' well enough to
     figure it out, i'd probably translate it into perl.  :)

        http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0303.0/0177.html

     To Mr. Owen's credit, it's quite clearly documented -- but even
     with his documentation, and 10+ years of writing perl, I looked
     at the actual 'sed' commands and went "oof!"

From rohorner at cisco.com  Mon Mar  3 08:49:37 2003
From: rohorner at cisco.com (Robert Horner (rohorner))
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Cisco 1417 configuration
Message-ID: <000101c2e19c$8022b060$04c8a8c0@amer.cisco.com>

Hi Geoff,
 
I saw in a posting back in October on the NCLUG site that you were
looking for information on getting a Cisco 1417 configuration for Qwest
DSL. Did you ever find the information? I'm having problems getting my
1417 to even see the DMT signalling (other DSL modems work fine on the
line) and I'm just looking for some sanity check on what I'm doing.
 
I appreciate any help you could offer.
 
Thanks
Robert Horner
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From matt at lackof.org  Tue Mar  4 16:42:26 2003
From: matt at lackof.org (Matt Taggart)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Moving to Seattle and change in NCLUG leader
Message-ID: <20030304234226.D1BB1EF179@cyrix.home.bogus>

Hi NCLUGgers,

After living in northern Colorado for almost 11 years(and Denver for
another 14) I've decided I need a change. So we're packing up the
family and moving to Seattle, Washington at the end of March. I
am keeping the same job and will be back from time to time and will
try to attend NCLUG/HS while I'm in town, and I intend to pull a
"Paul" and remain on the list remotely. If you're ever plan to be
in Seattle, send me some email so we can meet for $BEVERAGES.
So ...

James DeWitt <jdewitt@frii.com> will be running the NCLUG meetings
starting with the March meeting(tonight). James has been in NCLUG as
long as I can remember(and probably from the very start) and is the
current front-runner for "Highest Attendance at NCLUG events"
(and he was also too foolish to refuse when I publically asked him to
do it). So make sure to bow / avert your eyes / whatever in his
presence from now on or risk him utilizing the full powers that come
with the position of Maximum Leader against you(though, I really
doubt he'd unsubscribe you from the mailing list).

Good luck James!

-- 
Matt Taggart
matt@lackof.org

From luke at frii.com  Tue Mar  4 21:12:09 2003
From: luke at frii.com (S. Luke Jones)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Moving to Seattle and change in NCLUG leader
In-Reply-To: <20030304234226.D1BB1EF179@cyrix.home.bogus>
References: <20030304234226.D1BB1EF179@cyrix.home.bogus>
Message-ID: <20030305041209.GB25859@io.frii.com>

Matt Taggart wrote:
> After living in northern Colorado for almost 11 years(and Denver for
> another 14) I've decided I need a change. So we're packing up the
> family and moving to Seattle, Washington at the end of March. I
> am keeping the same job and will be back from time to time and will
> try to attend NCLUG/HS while I'm in town, and I intend to pull a
> "Paul" and remain on the list remotely. If you're ever plan to be
> in Seattle, send me some email so we can meet for $BEVERAGES.
> So ...

So Matt sneaks off to Seattle to work on Palladium. For shame!

Okay, so we've had one Maximum Leader who looked like Gimli (Mike)
and another who's a dead ringer for Legolas (Matt) so I have to
assume that James Dewitt must look like ... Merry? Pippin? Faramir?
Eowyn? Treebeard? One of the Uruk-hai?

Congratulations, Matt, on this exciting change in your ... however
they word the press release when someone gets pushed out the door,
I forget. Thanks for your years of serv#### whatever the heck it is
you do as Maximum Leader. Since I don't have a Mithril jacket to
offer you to wear on your quest into the very slopes of Mount Doom,
I'd like to donate the T-shirt I got at the CLIQ that's autographed
by someone who was pretending to be Linus.

(Sorry for all the LoTR references, by the way; I never read it as
a junior nerd, but the movies goaded me into it, and now I'm making
up for lost time.)

-- 
Luke Jones  luke vortex frii fullstop com

From techzone at greeleynet.com  Tue Mar  4 22:20:13 2003
From: techzone at greeleynet.com (Frank Whiteley)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Moving to Seattle and change in NCLUG leader
References: <20030304234226.D1BB1EF179@cyrix.home.bogus>
Message-ID: <00e901c2e2d6$e9d62740$0901a8c0@greeleynet>

Want to rent/buy my house?  How many bedrooms do you need?  Very close to
Puget Sound park , but a commute to Redmond thank goodness.  Reply offline.

Frank Whiteley
Greeley

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Taggart" <matt@lackof.org>
To: <nclug@nclug.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:42 PM
Subject: [NCLUG] Moving to Seattle and change in NCLUG leader


> Hi NCLUGgers,
>
> After living in northern Colorado for almost 11 years(and Denver for
> another 14) I've decided I need a change. So we're packing up the
> family and moving to Seattle, Washington at the end of March. I
> am keeping the same job and will be back from time to time and will
> try to attend NCLUG/HS while I'm in town, and I intend to pull a
> "Paul" and remain on the list remotely. If you're ever plan to be
> in Seattle, send me some email so we can meet for $BEVERAGES.
> So ...
>
> James DeWitt <jdewitt@frii.com> will be running the NCLUG meetings
> starting with the March meeting(tonight). James has been in NCLUG as
> long as I can remember(and probably from the very start) and is the
> current front-runner for "Highest Attendance at NCLUG events"
> (and he was also too foolish to refuse when I publically asked him to
> do it). So make sure to bow / avert your eyes / whatever in his
> presence from now on or risk him utilizing the full powers that come
> with the position of Maximum Leader against you(though, I really
> doubt he'd unsubscribe you from the mailing list).
>
> Good luck James!
>
> --
> Matt Taggart
> matt@lackof.org
> _______________________________________________
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>
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> http://www.nclug.org/mailman/listinfo/nclug
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From tomp at sandmonk.com  Wed Mar  5 11:49:50 2003
From: tomp at sandmonk.com (Tom Peterson)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] email push modules?
In-Reply-To: <20030129190002.9895.96146.Mailman@community.tummy.com>
Message-ID: <ODEBKPLHFKMINKJLPAGAMEIICAAA.tomp@sandmonk.com>

Has anyone worked with code that can push via email varying content based on
user profile?
I'm not talking spam here, but an automated reports deployment mechanism.



From michael at nichestaffing.com  Wed Mar  5 11:54:07 2003
From: michael at nichestaffing.com (Michael Lewis)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] email push modules?
In-Reply-To: <ODEBKPLHFKMINKJLPAGAMEIICAAA.tomp@sandmonk.com>
References: <ODEBKPLHFKMINKJLPAGAMEIICAAA.tomp@sandmonk.com>
Message-ID: <1046890447.2312.222.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Are you talking about something with email merge capability?  I have
written something in Zope, (DTML), that will send personalized emails to
my customer base, based on areas of interest.  I don't know if that will
do you any good since your stuff is done in JAVA.

On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 11:49, Tom Peterson wrote:
> Has anyone worked with code that can push via email varying content based on
> user profile?
> I'm not talking spam here, but an automated reports deployment mechanism.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> To unsubscribe, subscribe, or modify your settings, go to:
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From matt at lackof.org  Wed Mar  5 12:06:21 2003
From: matt at lackof.org (Matt Taggart)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] email push modules? 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "05 Mar 2003 11:54:07 MST."
             <1046890447.2312.222.camel@localhost.localdomain> 
References: <ODEBKPLHFKMINKJLPAGAMEIICAAA.tomp@sandmonk.com>  
 <1046890447.2312.222.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20030305190621.E36DBEF101@cyrix.home.bogus>

Michael Lewis writes...

> Are you talking about something with email merge capability?  I have
> written something in Zope, (DTML), that will send personalized emails to
> my customer base, based on areas of interest.  I don't know if that will
> do you any good since your stuff is done in JAVA.

I think he means having users decide what format they'd like automated reports 
in.

Tom,

I think the nagios project http://www.nagios.org/ has something like this. 
Their software monitors your services and can send email, pages, SMS, etc. 
when things go down based on user preference. Not quite the same thing but a 
similar concept.

Are you looking for something off the shelf or are you writing your own. I 
can't imagine it would be too hard to throw something together, especially 
since you probably already have the user logins on our site, right?

-- 
Matt Taggart
matt@lackof.org



From dj at sgc-inc.net  Thu Mar  6 01:18:40 2003
From: dj at sgc-inc.net (DJ Eshelman)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Re: Moving to Seattle and change in NCLUG leader
Message-ID: <55436.63.164.145.161.1046938720.squirrel@www.sgc-inc.net>

I'll be up in Seattle weekly for the next month or so, as I have been all 
this week.  It's currently about 50 degrees outside.  But then again, it's 
always about 50 degrees outside here.

I get funny looks for wearing my "Tux" golf shirt up here...

But I have one piece of advice- put titanium armor plating on your car.  
You'll need it.

Maybe two pieces of advice.  You'll find that construction crews around 
here put up signs, but don't really care what the sign actually says.  I 
developed a new traffic term yesterday for just that occasion when a sign 
said left lane closed ahead... when in fact it was the right lane that was 
closed.  The new term for 'right' is now 'Seattle Left'

But the beer is good and you can swim with your food here...

best of luck and maybe I'll see you up here!

-DJ Eshelman
Rouge Contractor at Large (and gettting Larger)


From mojo_head at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  6 10:57:17 2003
From: mojo_head at yahoo.com (Erich)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Advice on a satellite ISP?
Message-ID: <20030306175717.32615.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey all - I cannot do CWX at this time, as I think I would
need to build a tower (a small hillock rises just between
my house and los to horsetooth).  Does anyone have a
satellite isp, and would you recommend them?  Thanks - Erich

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From jbass at dmsd.com  Thu Mar  6 11:30:20 2003
From: jbass at dmsd.com (John L. Bass)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Advice on a satellite ISP?
Message-ID: <20030306183020.A86151A983E@dmsd.com>

Mike Alger of Rose Bud Enterprises seems completely on top of Dish Network
issues and installs - (970) 490-6088

John

From rosing at peakfive.com  Thu Mar  6 12:18:07 2003
From: rosing at peakfive.com (rosing@peakfive.com)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] printer problems
Message-ID: <15975.40687.954195.420549@lalala.localdomain>

I just replaced an HP 855 printer with a 970 and now I'm having
problems with printing color.  It looks like the color portion of
fonts are being squeezed.  So if a string of text has both black and
blue in it the black part is normal but there's a ghost image in
purple off to the side that's the same height but narrower than the
black. 

Ideas?

I found a different driver to use but have no idea how to install it.
What /etc file describes the driver to use?  I assume it's in
/etc/printcap but it's not obvious how to change it.

Thanks,

Matt

From svq at peakpeak.com  Thu Mar  6 05:35:43 2003
From: svq at peakpeak.com (Stephen Queen)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Advice on a satellite ISP?
References: <20030306183020.A86151A983E@dmsd.com>
Message-ID: <3E67409F.5000106@peakpeak.com>

John L. Bass wrote:

>Mike Alger of Rose Bud Enterprises seems completely on top of Dish Network
>issues and installs - (970) 490-6088
>
>John
>_______________________________________________
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>
>To unsubscribe, subscribe, or modify your settings, go to:
>http://www.nclug.org/mailman/listinfo/nclug
>
>.
>
>  
>
I was very interested in this subject as well. So if some one actually 
calls Mike could they report back to this list what they learn? I don't 
think all us who are interested should call him today.
Steve


From danbob at starband.net  Thu Mar  6 12:53:50 2003
From: danbob at starband.net (Dan Fink)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Re: satellite ISP
References: <20030306190002.17880.71722.Mailman@community.tummy.com>
Message-ID: <3E67A74E.3040801@starband.net>

I also cannot get CWX up here west of ft collins, and I've used starband 
for 2 years now. It works great, though I have to use a laptop running 
windows as a proxy server to the Starband gateway so I can use Linux on 
my main machine. Speeds are OK -- very fast bursts up and down, 
DSL-speed downloads, and almost ISDN speed uploads. Reliability has been 
good. Starband did go chapter 11 last June, but I have heard nothing on 
this since, and service has been getting even better. The other option 
is DirecWay, don't know anything about them. Someone from this list did 
email me the last time this question was asked -- and said he found info 
on Linux drivers for Direcway. Not sure about this. Starband does not 
support Linux, but the proxy server solution has worked fine for me.
Cheers
DANF


From inph0e at linuxmail.org  Thu Mar  6 20:42:33 2003
From: inph0e at linuxmail.org (Frank Cabrera)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Who am I/Satellite Access?!?
Message-ID: <20030307034233.1891.qmail@linuxmail.org>

Hello, my name is Frank Cabrera. I'm new to the LUG, coming from Cheyenne, WY. - Originally from Miami, FL (A bit different in weather/culture) - The Air Force (Finance career field) is definetely showing me the world! I use SuSE Personal 8.1 on my laptop, and run SlackWare 7.1 on two old PII machines, one of which hosts my website (on cable through dynamic dns) www.917labs.com. Missed the last meeting due to work, but look forward to the meeting on April. Anyhow, enough of the intro. 

Setup costs on satelite are a bit outrageous. Not to mention the 36 month commitment.

Just a thought: You might want to look into setting up your own mini-neighborhood 802.11b wireless isp, if you have the time and patience. The T1 cost can be shared amoungst its users, and everyone will have plenty of bandwidth, and if outgrows its userbase, well, you've got yourself a business :-).

Example:
http://www.letterrip.com/WAJ_Archive/000051.html
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From joem at uu.net  Thu Mar  6 21:45:37 2003
From: joem at uu.net (Joseph McDonald)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Re: satellite ISP
In-Reply-To: <3E67A74E.3040801@starband.net>; from danbob@starband.net on Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 12:53:50PM -0700
References: <20030306190002.17880.71722.Mailman@community.tummy.com> <3E67A74E.3040801@starband.net>
Message-ID: <20030306234537.H2402@otho.scare.org>

What are the latency times and what are the monthly costs?
Thanks!


On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 12:53:50PM -0700, Dan Fink wrote:
> I also cannot get CWX up here west of ft collins, and I've used starband 
> for 2 years now. It works great, though I have to use a laptop running 
> windows as a proxy server to the Starband gateway so I can use Linux on 
> my main machine. Speeds are OK -- very fast bursts up and down, 
> DSL-speed downloads, and almost ISDN speed uploads. Reliability has been 
> good. Starband did go chapter 11 last June, but I have heard nothing on 
> this since, and service has been getting even better. The other option 
> is DirecWay, don't know anything about them. Someone from this list did 
> email me the last time this question was asked -- and said he found info 
> on Linux drivers for Direcway. Not sure about this. Starband does not 
> support Linux, but the proxy server solution has worked fine for me.
> Cheers
> DANF
> 
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From philpop at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  8 03:48:29 2003
From: philpop at hotmail.com (philpop@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Look ten years younger in 30 days .. Guaranteed!
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From Rileyppbt at joymail.com  Fri Mar  7 09:53:37 2003
From: Rileyppbt at joymail.com (Rosetta Samora)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Had Trouble With Your Credit Report?  a
Message-ID: <yqbdljxvjtfr@joymail.com>

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From linuxtyro at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  8 19:20:10 2003
From: linuxtyro at yahoo.com (LinuxTyro)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] modem problem
Message-ID: <20030309022010.1576.qmail@web21201.mail.yahoo.com>

greetings to all,

I am a CSU student using linux for about a year and
have just joined the NCLUG list.

I was wondering if anyone has had the problem of a
dialup modem disconnecting when too much data is being
downloaded across the net.I have a newcom external
modem that I configured using the auto configure
option of redhats modem configuration tool.But
whenever I load two or three webpages simultaneously
or if I download a file(>300kb)the modem gets
disconnected.Is there a way to get around this.Will
increasing the baud rate help.

thanks

RS

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From auctionmgr1 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  7 13:26:42 2003
From: auctionmgr1 at yahoo.com (auctionmgr1@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] FREE online auction class and tools
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From jafo at tummy.com  Sun Mar  9 11:19:42 2003
From: jafo at tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] ANN: NCLUG Hacking Society, March 11, 2003
Message-ID: <20030309181942.23997.qmail@tummy.com>

   Dinner: Toy's Thai, 7pm
   Meeting: 311 South College Ave, 8pm

This Tuesday from 8pm to 11pm we will be having another installment of the
Hacking Society.  At 7pm we'll be gathering at a restaurant for dinner,
then heading over to the normal place at 8pm for the main event.

Dinner will be at 7pm at Toy's Thai.  Toy's is less then a block west of
College on Laurel -- just at the north east corner of the CSU campus.

The main meeting is in the Exasource conference room in the JYM-IS
building at 311 South College, across the street from the north Perkins.
It's in the back of the Aggie Travel parking lot.

The goal of the Hacking Society is to foster geek community-building
through the shared experience of hacking. Of course, by "hacking",
I mean the more historic meaning of working on interesting projects
(Jargon File "hack" entry, sense 6). Not the "script kiddies trying to
compromise boxes" meaning which has become what most people think of in
relation to the term.

It's meant to be a sacred place full of positive hacking energy, if you
will.  Hacking by osmosis...

Hacking Society is primarily meant for you to come and work on your own
projects, as opposed to soliciting others to solve your problems (which is
usually more what goes on at an Install Fest or at the main NCLUG
meetings).

More information on Hacking Society, including some ideas for projects to
work on there, can be found at:

   http://www.hackingsociety.org/

Sean
-- 
 What no spouse of a programmer can ever understand is that a programmer is
 working when he's staring out the window.
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From jens001 at attbi.com  Sun Mar  9 11:59:44 2003
From: jens001 at attbi.com (Mike W Jensen)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Mac laptop x contrast problems
Message-ID: <200303091159.44789.jens001@attbi.com>

I just got a mac laptop so I can play with linux on a mac.  I got yellow dog 
linux 2.3 installed fine.  With a simple kernel argument 
(video=atyfb:vmode:10) i get it booting into consol fine.  Without the video 
dosent work right.  But as soon as I start it in x no matter if it is kde 
gnome or anything it adjust the contrast to the max!  This is the reason why 
I did a text install and not a gui install.  I tryed pbbuttons to adjust it 
but it would only do the brightness and it is the  contrast that is the 
problem.  I have it hooked to an external monitor right now and it looks 
fine.  I have no idea what this is or what to do next?  Thank you so much.

From npeiorlgirl24 at msn.com  Tue Mar 11 23:04:49 2003
From: npeiorlgirl24 at msn.com (npeiorlgirl24@msn.com)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
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Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] XXXSPAMXXX chronic fatigue?
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From chris at goldencoast.com  Thu Mar 13 10:22:23 2003
From: chris at goldencoast.com (Chris Funk)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Firewall confusion
Message-ID: <007801c2e985$1c79ed30$0400a8c0@CHRIS>

Hi All,

Couple of questions for you all.  The last couple days I have been setting
up a new linux firewall/router to replace our existing router which only
does some basic filtering.  The more I read the more I get confused.  My
confusion is about DMZ's.  I have 3 machines currently which have public
ip's.  One of the machines is an NT 4.0 box which needs to connect to the
local private net (for the db server) currently I have 2 nics in it.  One
with the public IP and the other with a private.
Do the 3 machines going into the DMZ keep their public Ip's or should I
assign them privates on a different subnet than my local net.  I have read
not to assign private ip's to DMZ machines and also that it is Ok.

2nd question.  If I have to setup a rule that allows the DMZ webserver to
talk to the internal db server isn't that kinda defeating the purpose?  Like
I said, i'm confused . :-)

Thanks
Chris


From mojo_head at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 13 10:20:39 2003
From: mojo_head at yahoo.com (Erich)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] KRUD security update error question.
Message-ID: <20030313172039.68465.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com>

KRUD 7.2 server (05/2002) 

How do I resolve the error :

bcm5820 < 1.81 conflicts with kernel 2.4.18.24.7.x
Package install error

Also -  I have the KRUD server 8.0 from 2-1-2003.  The disc
appears to be non-bootable.  A fluke?


Thanks - Erich

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From listz at hate.cx  Thu Mar 13 10:40:02 2003
From: listz at hate.cx (listz@hate.cx)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Firewall confusion
In-Reply-To: <007801c2e985$1c79ed30$0400a8c0@CHRIS>
References: <007801c2e985$1c79ed30$0400a8c0@CHRIS>
Message-ID: <20030313174002.GE23722@chaos.enmity.org>

a dmz is basically what you want it to be, at least thats what i've gotten from
my current job, heh. if you don't put public IP's on the servers then you'll
have to setup some 1-to-1 NAT'int which probably isn't desireable. The way I'd
set it up would be:

------      --------------------------
| FW |------| Public addressable DMZ |
------      --------------------------
  |
  |
  |
--------------------
| NAT internal net |
--------------------

sorry about the bad ascii drawing, but assuming you used a fixed width font you
get the idea ;)

your webserver is going to need to talk to the internal DB, thats a given
appartently. if you setup a rule to _only_ allow the webserver to communicate
(in an encrypted channel if you have the inclination) to the DB server then it
certainly doesn't defeat the purpose. can joe scriptkiddie connect to yer DB
server anymore? no. of course you need to make sure the windoze webserver is
patched so it can't be used to access your DB in a way you hadn't intended,
which can be a pretty full-time job.

i hope this helps although i think the scope of the conversation may be a bit
outside a LUG mailing lists interests.

on Thu Mar 13 10:22, Chris Funk disclosed: 
> Hi All,
> 
> Couple of questions for you all.  The last couple days I have been setting
> up a new linux firewall/router to replace our existing router which only
> does some basic filtering.  The more I read the more I get confused.  My
> confusion is about DMZ's.  I have 3 machines currently which have public
> ip's.  One of the machines is an NT 4.0 box which needs to connect to the
> local private net (for the db server) currently I have 2 nics in it.  One
> with the public IP and the other with a private.
> Do the 3 machines going into the DMZ keep their public Ip's or should I
> assign them privates on a different subnet than my local net.  I have read
> not to assign private ip's to DMZ machines and also that it is Ok.
> 
> 2nd question.  If I have to setup a rule that allows the DMZ webserver to
> talk to the internal db server isn't that kinda defeating the purpose?  Like
> I said, i'm confused . :-)
> 
> Thanks
> Chris
> 
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From jcizek at yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU  Thu Mar 13 11:13:47 2003
From: jcizek at yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU (James Cizek)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Dual head video under linux?
Message-ID: <200303131813.LAA121536@yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU>



  Had anyone on the list gotten dual head video under linux working?
  We are going to buy some new video cards to get dual head going
  and I would prefer to buy a single card with dual head capabilites
  versus two cards if possible.  A quick google search indicates that
  Matrox G450 G550 and HF cards are all supported.  Has anyone got 
  anything like this working that can offer suggestions/warnings/advice?

  Thanks.  
  -James
  james@colostate.edu

From kevin at scrye.com  Thu Mar 13 11:23:59 2003
From: kevin at scrye.com (Kevin Fenzi)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] KRUD security update error question.
References: <20030313172039.68465.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030313182402.22222.qmail@scrye.com>

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>>>>> "Erich" == Erich  <mojo_head@yahoo.com> writes:

Erich> KRUD 7.2 server (05/2002) How do I resolve the error :

Erich> bcm5820 < 1.81 conflicts with kernel 2.4.18.24.7.x Package
Erich> install error

bcm5820 is a package that: 

 Broadcom Cryptonet BCM5820 driver

If you are not using that driver, do a 'rpm -e bcm5820'. 
RedHat has dropped support for that driver, so if you are using it
check with your card vendor to see what to do. 

Erich> Also - I have the KRUD server 8.0 from 2-1-2003.  The disc
Erich> appears to be non-bootable.  A fluke?

Could have been dammaged in shipping? If you can try it in another
computer to confirm it's not the drive that would be good. Otherwise
contact tummy.com for a replacement. 

Erich> Thanks - Erich

kevin
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From fassler at monkeysoft.net  Thu Mar 13 12:20:02 2003
From: fassler at monkeysoft.net (Mark Fassler)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Dual head video under linux?
In-Reply-To: <200303131813.LAA121536@yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU>
References: <200303131813.LAA121536@yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU>
Message-ID: <20030313192002.GA14469@xaero.techsmartsolutions.com>

I have a dual-monitor system.  I'm using two video cards:  an Nvidia 
GeForce4 and a Voodoo 3 PCI.  

Not really any caveats, really.  You just set it up.  

You can use xinerama (an extension to XFree86) that just sticks both 
screens together to make them look like one, big display.  In this case, 
you'll need to have both screens at the same resolution or color depth.  

Or you can use them as two different desktops.  This is what I prefer to 
do.  You have one Xserver running, but two different instances of the 
desktop running independently of each other (one is on display :0.0, the 
other is on display :0.1).  KDE supports this right out of the box.  Gnome 
2.0 doesn't support this by default, but you can make it work perfectly 
with a little tweaking.  (But, why on earth would you want to use 
something other KDE anyway?? :-)

Oh yeah, there's one caveat:  galeon isn't smart enough to be able to run 
on both :0.0 and :0.1, it can only do one or the other.  I've never had a 
problem with any other application.  

-Mark


On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:13:47AM -0700, James Cizek wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>   Had anyone on the list gotten dual head video under linux working?
>   We are going to buy some new video cards to get dual head going
>   and I would prefer to buy a single card with dual head capabilites
>   versus two cards if possible.  A quick google search indicates that
>   Matrox G450 G550 and HF cards are all supported.  Has anyone got 
>   anything like this working that can offer suggestions/warnings/advice?
> 
>   Thanks.  
>   -James
>   james@colostate.edu
> _______________________________________________
> NCLUG mailing list       NCLUG@nclug.org
> 
> To unsubscribe, subscribe, or modify your settings, go to:
> http://www.nclug.org/mailman/listinfo/nclug

From mike at verinet.com  Thu Mar 13 12:31:39 2003
From: mike at verinet.com (Mike Loseke)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Dual head video under linux?
In-Reply-To: <20030313192002.GA14469@xaero.techsmartsolutions.com> from "Mark Fassler" at Mar 13, 2003 12:20:02 PM
Message-ID: <200303131931.h2DJVeeJ060953@io.frii.com>

Thus spake Mark Fassler:
> 
> Oh yeah, there's one caveat:  galeon isn't smart enough to be able to run 
> on both :0.0 and :0.1, it can only do one or the other.  I've never had a 
> problem with any other application.  

 Mozilla may behave like this. Using fvmw's pager, I can place a mozilla
window on another "desktop" and use it there just fine, but anything that
window wants to pop up, like a "save as" dialog, gets thrown back to the 1st
desktop. Annoying.

-- 
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 mike@verinet.com | Start with a large fortune.

From brett at hp.com  Thu Mar 13 12:59:48 2003
From: brett at hp.com (Brett Johnson)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Dual head video under linux?
In-Reply-To: <200303131813.LAA121536@yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU>
References: <200303131813.LAA121536@yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU>
Message-ID: <1047585588.7318.4.camel@raphael.fc.hp.com>

On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 11:13, James Cizek wrote:
> 
>   Had anyone on the list gotten dual head video under linux working?
>   We are going to buy some new video cards to get dual head going
>   and I would prefer to buy a single card with dual head capabilites
>   versus two cards if possible.  A quick google search indicates that
>   Matrox G450 G550 and HF cards are all supported.  Has anyone got 
>   anything like this working that can offer suggestions/warnings/advice?

I have a number of different dual-head setups running.  If you choose a
dual-head video card (like the Matrox G450), there are usually multiple
ways to do it.  The G450 driver can treat the two heads as a single
screen (so the X server thinks there's just one big screen), or you can
set them up as separate screens, then have xinerama combine them back
together (which has some advantages).

Cheers!
-- 
Brett Johnson <brett@hp.com>
   -  i  n  v  e  n  t  -

From jcizek at yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU  Thu Mar 13 13:24:10 2003
From: jcizek at yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU (James Cizek)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Dual head video under linux?
In-Reply-To: <1047585588.7318.4.camel@raphael.fc.hp.com> from "Brett Johnson" at Mar 13, 2003 12:59:48 PM
Message-ID: <200303132024.NAA93170@yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU>

   Wow!!  Thanks for all the responses!  
   My main interest in this is to have my normal desktop in front 
   of me (a 22" NEC multisync) with the second monitor (an NEC 17" multi)
   running where I can "park" some live logging windows (console outputs,
   ADSM console outputs, xmessage popups etc...)
   Therefore, I would like my main monitor to continue running 1800x1400
   resolution and the 17 inch to run something like 1024x768 or so.
   Is the G450 capable of this? 

   I see on Matrox's website they have a linux "driver"  I assume this
  is just an Xserver?  Or do you use the mga Xserver already part
  of X and it's just setup changes in the XF86Config?

  Lastly, there are 2 of us wanting to run this, one runs RedHat and I run
  Slackware.  Since this is X specific, I assume it will not matter what
  distribution and that it should be compatible with anything running
  XFree86?  Please correct me if I am wrong...   
  Thanks again for the help!
  -James 
  james@colostate.edu
 
 I have a number of different dual-head setups running.  If you choose a
 dual-head video card (like the Matrox G450), there are usually multiple
 ways to do it.  The G450 driver can treat the two heads as a single
 screen (so the X server thinks there's just one big screen), or you can
 set them up as separate screens, then have xinerama combine them back
 together (which has some advantages).
 
 Cheers!
 -- 
 Brett Johnson <brett@hp.com>
    -  i  n  v  e  n  t  -
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From fassler at monkeysoft.net  Thu Mar 13 13:35:12 2003
From: fassler at monkeysoft.net (Mark Fassler)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Yet Another Firewalling Script
Message-ID: <20030313203512.GA16214@xaero.techsmartsolutions.com>

This is the firewalling script that I use on a number of machines.  I 
really like it -- it's the only firewalling solution that I don't hate.  

  http://squishy.monkeysoft.net/firewall/


I haven't made any changes to it in a while, so I guess I'll call this 
version 1.0.  

If you use it, please send me any comments/suggetions, etc.

-Mark

From brett at hp.com  Thu Mar 13 14:05:17 2003
From: brett at hp.com (Brett Johnson)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Dual head video under linux?
In-Reply-To: <200303132024.NAA93170@yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU>
References: <200303132024.NAA93170@yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU>
Message-ID: <1047589516.2748.3.camel@bj6694>

On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 13:24, James Cizek wrote:
>    Therefore, I would like my main monitor to continue running 1800x1400
>    resolution and the 17 inch to run something like 1024x768 or so.
>    Is the G450 capable of this? 

Sure.  You'll probably want to set it up as two separate screens, rather
than trying to fit both into a xinerama (virtual) screen.

>    I see on Matrox's website they have a linux "driver"  I assume this
>   is just an Xserver?  Or do you use the mga Xserver already part
>   of X and it's just setup changes in the XF86Config?

The driver is a module that's loaded by XFree86, but you don't even need
it (the existing open source driver does everything you'll need).

Cheers!
-- 
Brett Johnson <brett@hp.com>
   -  i  n  v  e  n  t  -

From listz at hate.cx  Thu Mar 13 14:11:20 2003
From: listz at hate.cx (listz@hate.cx)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Yet Another Firewalling Script
In-Reply-To: <20030313203512.GA16214@xaero.techsmartsolutions.com>
References: <20030313203512.GA16214@xaero.techsmartsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <20030313211120.GA20210@chaos.enmity.org>

on this topic, has anyone seen a web-based checkpoint-esque iptables management
program? i'm thinking like something with ssh-keys in the background pushing
firewall scripts to the firewalls the management station (for lack of a better
term) controls. anyone seen something like this, or even something that could be
hacked to provide support for multiple firewalls? 


on Thu Mar 13 13:35, Mark Fassler disclosed: 
> This is the firewalling script that I use on a number of machines.  I 
> really like it -- it's the only firewalling solution that I don't hate.  
> 
>   http://squishy.monkeysoft.net/firewall/
> 
> 
> I haven't made any changes to it in a while, so I guess I'll call this 
> version 1.0.  
> 
> If you use it, please send me any comments/suggetions, etc.
> 
> -Mark
> _______________________________________________
> NCLUG mailing list       NCLUG@nclug.org
> 
> To unsubscribe, subscribe, or modify your settings, go to:
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From caine at antediluvian.org  Thu Mar 13 16:20:23 2003
From: caine at antediluvian.org (Neil Doane)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Job hunting...
Message-ID: <20030313232023.GS13941@antediluvian.org>

Hi folks!  I was recently laid-off from VA Software (formerly VA Linux
Systems, VA Research when I started there :) and am actively looking for 
Linux work (contract or permanent) in the area.  I've got about 5-6 years 
experience doing Linux sysadminny/PS work and about 8-9 in IT doing all 
sorts of other stuff including a stint as a contributing editor doing game 
reviews for Linux Journal.  I'd really like to stay in the area, but if 
needed, my wife and I would be willing to relocate.   If anyone has any 
leads at all, I'm all ears! :)


Thanks!



Neil

From jens001 at attbi.com  Thu Mar 13 21:48:50 2003
From: jens001 at attbi.com (Mike W Jensen)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:09 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Dual head video under linux?
In-Reply-To: <20030313192002.GA14469@xaero.techsmartsolutions.com>
References: <200303131813.LAA121536@yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU> <20030313192002.GA14469@xaero.techsmartsolutions.com>
Message-ID: <200303132148.51023.jens001@attbi.com>

I recently replaced my Voodoo 3 and Radeon 7000 combo for a Geforec 4 
440mx-se.  I got the nvidia kernel module installed.  I am having problems 
getting twin view to work, and havent found any thing that has been _lots_ of 
help online.  Dose anyone have a working XF86Config file they could send me?  
Mine is all funky.  Thank you
On Thursday 13 March 2003 12:20 pm, Mark Fassler wrote:
> I have a dual-monitor system.  I'm using two video cards:  an Nvidia
> GeForce4 and a Voodoo 3 PCI.
>
> Not really any caveats, really.  You just set it up.
>
> You can use xinerama (an extension to XFree86) that just sticks both
> screens together to make them look like one, big display.  In this case,
> you'll need to have both screens at the same resolution or color depth.
>
> Or you can use them as two different desktops.  This is what I prefer to
> do.  You have one Xserver running, but two different instances of the
> desktop running independently of each other (one is on display :0.0, the
> other is on display :0.1).  KDE supports this right out of the box.  Gnome
> 2.0 doesn't support this by default, but you can make it work perfectly
> with a little tweaking.  (But, why on earth would you want to use
> something other KDE anyway?? :-)
>
> Oh yeah, there's one caveat:  galeon isn't smart enough to be able to run
> on both :0.0 and :0.1, it can only do one or the other.  I've never had a
> problem with any other application.
>
> -Mark
>
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:13:47AM -0700, James Cizek wrote:
> >   Had anyone on the list gotten dual head video under linux working?
> >   We are going to buy some new video cards to get dual head going
> >   and I would prefer to buy a single card with dual head capabilites
> >   versus two cards if possible.  A quick google search indicates that
> >   Matrox G450 G550 and HF cards are all supported.  Has anyone got
> >   anything like this working that can offer suggestions/warnings/advice?
> >
> >   Thanks.
> >   -James
> >   james@colostate.edu
> > _______________________________________________
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From mail at stn.sh.cn  Thu Mar 13 22:06:17 2003
From: mail at stn.sh.cn (mail)
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From brett at hp.com  Fri Mar 14 10:08:02 2003
From: brett at hp.com (Brett Johnson)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Dual head video under linux?
In-Reply-To: <200303132148.51023.jens001@attbi.com>
References: <200303131813.LAA121536@yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU>
	 <20030313192002.GA14469@xaero.techsmartsolutions.com>
	 <200303132148.51023.jens001@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <1047661682.12534.2.camel@raphael.fc.hp.com>

On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 21:48, Mike W Jensen wrote:
> I recently replaced my Voodoo 3 and Radeon 7000 combo for a Geforec 4 
> 440mx-se.  I got the nvidia kernel module installed.  I am having problems 
> getting twin view to work, and havent found any thing that has been _lots_ of 
> help online.  Dose anyone have a working XF86Config file they could send me?  

Here's one that I use with an NVidia 900XGL card (same driver you should
be using).

Note that with NVidia, you're going to have to download and install
their proprietary (and closed source) "nvidia" X driver package to get
twinview to work.  The "nv" open source driver doesn't support a lot of
NVidia chipsets, and it doesn't support twinview at all.

Cheers!
-- 
Brett Johnson <brett@hp.com>
   -  i  n  v  e  n  t  -
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Section "Files"
	#FontPath	"unix/:7100"			# local font server
	# if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
	FontPath	"/usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/msfonts"
	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType"
	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
EndSection

Section "Module"
	Load	"bitmap"
	Load	"dbe"
	Load	"ddc"
	Load	"extmod"
	Load	"freetype"
	Load	"glx"
	Load	"int10"
	Load	"record"
	Load	"speedo"
	Load	"type1"
	Load	"vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Keyboard"
	Driver		"keyboard"
	Option		"CoreKeyboard"
	Option		"AutoRepeat" "500 30"
	Option		"XkbRules"	"xfree86"
	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc104"
	Option		"XkbLayout"	"us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Mouse"
	Driver		"mouse"
	Option		"CorePointer"
	Option		"Device"		"/dev/psaux"
	Option		"Protocol"		"ImPS/2"
        Option	        "Emulate3Buttons"	"false"
	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"4 5"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier	"900XGL"
	Driver		"nvidia"
	Option "TwinView"
	# be sure to replace the HorizSync and VertRefresh with correct values
	# for your monitor!  
	Option "SecondMonitorHorizSync"   "30-96"
	Option "SecondMonitorVertRefresh" "50-160"
	Option "TwinViewOrientation"      "RightOf"
	Option "MetaModes"                "1600x1024,1280x1024"
	Option "ConnectedMonitor"         "crt,crt"
	Option "NoLogo"			  "true"
	Option "RenderAccel"		  "true"
	Option "WindowFlip"		  "true"

EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier	"A1295A"
	HorizSync	30-130
	VertRefresh	50-160
	Option		"DPMS"
	Modeline 	"1600x1024"  162   1600 1664 1856 2160 1024 1032 1040 1068  +HSync -VSync
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier	"P1100"
	HorizSync	30-96
	VertRefresh	50-160
	Option		"DPMS"
	Modeline 	"1280x1024"  126.5 1280 1312 1472 1696  1024 1032 1040 1068 -HSync -VSync
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier	"Default Screen"
	Device		"900XGL"
	Monitor		"A1295A"
	DefaultDepth	24
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		24
		Modes		"1600x1024"
	EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier	"Default Layout"
	Screen		"Default Screen"
	InputDevice	"Keyboard"
	InputDevice	"Mouse"
EndSection

From jafo at tummy.com  Fri Mar 14 14:45:57 2003
From: jafo at tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] (New Location) ANN: NCLUG Hacking Society, March 18, 2003
Message-ID: <20030314214557.18550.qmail@tummy.com>

NOTE: New meeting space.  Read below for more information.

   Dinner: South China, 7pm
   Meeting: 311 South College Ave, 8pm

This Tuesday from 8pm to 11pm we will be having another installment of the
Hacking Society.  At 7pm we'll be gathering at a restaurant for dinner,
then heading over to the normal place at 8pm for the main event.

Dinner will be at 7pm at South China.  South China is in the Wal-Mart mall
south west of the intersection of College and Harmony.  To be precise, it's
towards the north end of the mall, south west of Mason and Harmony (a short
block west of College).

The main meeting is being held in the Re/Max building where tummy.com, ltd.
has some office space.  This is the Re/Max building just west of Sam's Club
on the west side of Boardwalk just south of Harmony.

The goal of the Hacking Society is to foster geek community-building
through the shared experience of hacking. Of course, by "hacking",
I mean the more historic meaning of working on interesting projects
(Jargon File "hack" entry, sense 6). Not the "script kiddies trying to
compromise boxes" meaning which has become what most people think of in
relation to the term.

It's meant to be a sacred place full of positive hacking energy, if you
will.  Hacking by osmosis...

Hacking Society is primarily meant for you to come and work on your own
projects, as opposed to soliciting others to solve your problems (which is
usually more what goes on at an Install Fest or at the main NCLUG
meetings).

More information on Hacking Society, including some ideas for projects to
work on there, can be found at:

   http://www.hackingsociety.org/

Sean
-- 
 What no spouse of a programmer can ever understand is that a programmer is
 working when he's staring out the window.
Sean Reifschneider, Inimitably Superfluous <jafo@tummy.com>
tummy.com - Linux Consulting since 1995. Qmail, KRUD, Firewalls, Python

From jens001 at attbi.com  Fri Mar 14 17:22:53 2003
From: jens001 at attbi.com (Mike W Jensen)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Dual head video under linux?
In-Reply-To: <1047661682.12534.2.camel@raphael.fc.hp.com>
References: <200303131813.LAA121536@yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU> <200303132148.51023.jens001@attbi.com> <1047661682.12534.2.camel@raphael.fc.hp.com>
Message-ID: <200303141722.53601.jens001@attbi.com>

Thank you I got it working perfect.  I am with you I see no reason why those 
drivers should not be open source.  dose anyone know of a project for open 
source drivers on this?
On Friday 14 March 2003 10:08 am, Brett Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 21:48, Mike W Jensen wrote:
> > I recently replaced my Voodoo 3 and Radeon 7000 combo for a Geforec 4
> > 440mx-se.  I got the nvidia kernel module installed.  I am having
> > problems getting twin view to work, and havent found any thing that has
> > been _lots_ of help online.  Dose anyone have a working XF86Config file
> > they could send me?
>
> Here's one that I use with an NVidia 900XGL card (same driver you should
> be using).
>
> Note that with NVidia, you're going to have to download and install
> their proprietary (and closed source) "nvidia" X driver package to get
> twinview to work.  The "nv" open source driver doesn't support a lot of
> NVidia chipsets, and it doesn't support twinview at all.
>
> Cheers!


From brett at hp.com  Fri Mar 14 17:44:14 2003
From: brett at hp.com (Brett Johnson)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Dual head video under linux?
In-Reply-To: <200303141722.53601.jens001@attbi.com>
References: <200303131813.LAA121536@yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU>
	 <200303132148.51023.jens001@attbi.com>
	 <1047661682.12534.2.camel@raphael.fc.hp.com>
	 <200303141722.53601.jens001@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <1047689054.15731.3.camel@raphael.fc.hp.com>

On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 17:22, Mike W Jensen wrote:
> Thank you I got it working perfect.  I am with you I see no reason why those 
> drivers should not be open source.

Well, the reason is quite clear...

The drivers aren't open source because NVidia won't release the
technical specs for their new hardware.  There's already an open source
driver for some NVidia hardware (that's old enough to have been
successfully reverse engineered), but reverse engineering the new
hardware and writing a driver without NVidia's help is a pretty daunting
task.  Probably not going to happen any time soon...

Cheers!
-- 
Brett Johnson <brett@hp.com>
   -  i  n  v  e  n  t  -

From robiel at tgstech.com  Fri Mar 14 19:47:28 2003
From: robiel at tgstech.com (Robie Lutsey)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] ssh question
Message-ID: <002401c2ea9d$38357df0$c57ea9cd@shaggyxp>

I am trying to set up a tunnel via ssh to allow users at a remote site
to see an internal webserver.  

I thought I could set up a gateway there listening on port xxxx.  And
when you pointed a browser at it,

It would forward that connection to my local web server. Something like
this:

                                        __________

                                      /                      \

                                     /                         \ 

   remote                       |   internet             |
local

   gateway ------------> |                           |----------->server

       ^ port xxxx              \                        /
listening on port 80

        |                               \__________/

        | 

remote user

http://remote-gateway:xxxx <http://remote-gateway:xxxx/> 

 

where remote gateway is running something like: 

ssh -N -f -L xxxx:local-server:80 user@local-server

 

as it turns out when I try this I get connection refused.  

What am I missing?

 

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From efm at tummy.com  Fri Mar 14 19:59:25 2003
From: efm at tummy.com (Evelyn Mitchell)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] FLOSS developer survey... (FORWARDED MSG) ("Frederick Noronha (FN)")
Message-ID: <20030315025925.GC4706@tummy.com>

From: "Frederick Noronha (FN)" <fred@bytesforall.org>
Subject: FLOSS developer survey... (FORWARDED MSG)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 01:15:32 CST

========== Forwarded message ==========

I am writing to request your help. We are researchers at Stanford 
University who are in particular interested in studying open-source as an 
alternative way of producing software. To that end, we have designed a 
survey that aims to understand motivations and organizational aspects of 
open-source. Could we please request you to post the announcement below 
to user groups so that developers can fill our survey 
and help us better understand how open-source works. This survey has been 
translated into several foreign languages so that we can attract a 
diversity of responses from across the globe. I am including 2 
announcements that relate to the survey and you could post either in the 
user groups.

I would be most grateful for advise regarding other sites or names I 
could approach in order to attract a large number of respondents from India.

Best
Seema

LONG ANNOUNCEMENT

A Survey of Software Developers

FLOSS-US is an online survey currently being conducted by researchers at 
Stanford University?s Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research 
(SIEPR). It is a part of the study of the Economic Organization and 
Viability of Open Source Software undertaken by SIEPR?s Knowledge, 
Networks and Information for Innovation Program (KNIIP) which is being 
supported by a grant from the National Science Foundation.

This survey has been designed in cooperation with Rishab Aiyer Ghosh 
(MERIT and Infonomics, University of Maastricht), who led the FLOSS 
survey of Open Source/Free Software developer communities, carried out 
with the sponsorship of the European Commission during 2002. 
[http://floss1.infonomics.nl]

To establish comparability with the previous sample of voluntary 
respondents, FLOSS-US asks questions on the same range of topics that the 
original FLOSS survey addressed, including:

o Motivation: monetary / non-monetary, reputation, pleasure, creativity, 
jobs
o Expectations: what do you expect of others? What do they expect of you?
o Organization: efficiency, quality, comparison with commercial software
o Law: intellectual property licenses, authorship, public domain
o Technology: preferred programming tools

In addition, developers are invited to provide information about their 
experiences and opinions on several other issues, such as: extent and 
intensity of OS/FS activities and project roles; relationships with 
commercial enterprises based on Free/Libre/Open Source software; support 
of OS/FS projects by proprietary software firms.

Announcements of this new online survey will be posted in languages other 
than English, and at sites likely to be visited by developers in regions 
outside as well as within western Europe and North America.

We will make public tabulated responses for each of the questions as soon 
as the survey period is closed, and the results of our further analyses 
will also be published on the SIEPR/KNIIP website. We are committed to 
protecting respondents' privacy: no personal identifiers will be stored 
with your answers and responses will be reported in aggregates that will 
prevent inferences about individual identities.
If you are an Open Source/Free Software developer, please assist this 
research: go to the questionnaire at 

http://www.stanford.edu/group/floss-us/survey.fft

and fill it out!

At the end of the questionnaire you will find links to to the SIEPR/KNIIP 
website and further information about our project. When you have 
submitted your response there will be an opportunity to comment on the 
questionnaire itself, and to request any of the publications that will be 
based upon analyses of the survey data.


SHORT ANNOUNCEMENT

The Free/Libre/Open Source Software Survey for 2003
 
http://www.stanford.edu/group/floss-us/survey.fft

FLOSS-US is an online survey of Open Source/Free Software developers
currently being conducted by researchers at Stanford University's
Institute for Economic Policy Research (SIEPR), supported by a grant from
the National Science Foundation.  This survey has been designed to
complement the FLOSS survey for 2002 of Open Source/Free Software developer
communities sponsored by the European Commission.

FLOSS-US asks questions on some of the topics addressed by the original
FLOSS survey, plus questions on several other important issues,
including open source developers' motivations and expectations, usage of
licenses and programming tools, individuals' contributions to projects,
and support by proprietary software firms.

If you are an Open Source/Free Software developer, please click here to
fill out the questionnaire. We greatly appreciate your viewpoints
and your responses to our survey questions.

----- End forwarded message -----

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efm@tummy.com               Senior System and Network Administrators
                            http://www.tummy.com/

From crawford.rainwater at itec-co.com  Sat Mar 15 10:54:26 2003
From: crawford.rainwater at itec-co.com (Crawford Rainwater)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] CLUE-North meeting, Thurs 20 March
Message-ID: <OEENLCBECMMHGFBKGCEHKEEEGMAA.crawford.rainwater@itec-co.com>

Announcement: CLUE-North Meeting
Date: Thursday, 20 March, 7PM
Location: Jefferson County Government Building
100 Jefferson County Parkway, Golden, CO 

Topic: Jefferson County Linux Desktop Rollout with Otis Lamar

Learn more about Jeffco's decision to make Linux a choice on 
the desktop and what effect their Novell environment has had 
on that project. Also see some of this work with a real time 
tour/demonstration at the Jefferson County Government Building.

PLEASE NOTE: THE LOCATION CHANGE!  THIS MEETING WILL BE HELD 
AT THE JEFFERSON COUNTY GOVERNMENT BUILDING IN GOLDEN, CO!

We will be meeting on the Regis University campus for our 
April meeting for reference.

Hope to see everyone there!


From Feelcvvf at china.com  Sun Mar 16 19:57:29 2003
From: Feelcvvf at china.com (Feel Younger)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Now - Powerful Anti-Aging Breakthrough
Message-ID: <hiobtwyudqv@china.com>

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From jorge at completo.com.br  Mon Mar 17 05:09:29 2003
From: jorge at completo.com.br (Jorge R . Csapo)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] new arrival
Message-ID: <20030317100929.A10150@completo.com.br>

Hi all, I've just subscribed to this list. My name is Jorge and I live (for
now) in Brazil. However, I will be relocating to Fort Collins Colorado by
mid-year. My wife has received a schollarship to earn her PHD at CSU and I will
be accompanying her. I own a small Unix/Linux consulting company in my country
and I plan to work remotely from the US while we're there. As the exchange
rate is very unfavourable at this time, what I earn here will probably not be
enough so I will be looking for consulting jobs there too. I would very much
like to join your LUG when I'm there and I'd appreciate any pointers you could
give me.

Thanks,

-- 
Jorge R. Csapo
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From jafo-nclug at tummy.com  Mon Mar 17 11:16:09 2003
From: jafo-nclug at tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] ssh question
In-Reply-To: <002401c2ea9d$38357df0$c57ea9cd@shaggyxp>
References: <002401c2ea9d$38357df0$c57ea9cd@shaggyxp>
Message-ID: <20030317181609.GC6139@tummy.com>

On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 07:47:28PM -0700, Robie Lutsey wrote:
>where remote gateway is running something like: 
>ssh -N -f -L xxxx:local-server:80 user@local-server
>
>as it turns out when I try this I get connection refused.  
>
>What am I missing?

You havne't handed "-g" to ssh.  That allows remote hosts to connect to
the source port.

Sean
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From robiel at tgstech.com  Mon Mar 17 14:23:23 2003
From: robiel at tgstech.com (Robie Lutsey)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] ssh question
In-Reply-To: <20030317181609.GC6139@tummy.com>
Message-ID: <005901c2eccb$715cab50$c57ea9cd@shaggyxp>

Thanks a ton! I just couldn't see that no matter how hard I looked!

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:16 AM
To: nclug@nclug.org
Subject: Re: [NCLUG] ssh question

On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 07:47:28PM -0700, Robie Lutsey wrote:
>where remote gateway is running something like: 
>ssh -N -f -L xxxx:local-server:80 user@local-server
>
>as it turns out when I try this I get connection refused.  
>
>What am I missing?

You havne't handed "-g" to ssh.  That allows remote hosts to connect to
the source port.

Sean
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From dherr at frii.com  Mon Mar 17 15:58:42 2003
From: dherr at frii.com (Daniel Herrington)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] old monitors & terminal
Message-ID: <3E765322.5090208@frii.com>

I'm cleaning out my basement, and I've got a couple of very old monitors 
and an RS-232 terminal that I need to dispose of.  Isn't there some 
event that happens here in FC where they recycle old computer equipment? 
 If so, does anyone have any dates for this year's?  Or, is there some 
place I can legally dump these without paying a fee?

Thanks,
Daniel

-- 
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Email: dherr@frii.com
Web:   http://www.frii.com/~dherr




From caine at antediluvian.org  Mon Mar 17 15:47:03 2003
From: caine at antediluvian.org (Neil Doane)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] old monitors & terminal
In-Reply-To: <3E765322.5090208@frii.com>
References: <3E765322.5090208@frii.com>
Message-ID: <20030317224703.GQ402@antediluvian.org>

Along in the same vein, is there anyone in town here who repairs broken
computer monitors?  I've got a 21" Panasonic (P110) that just stopped 
working about a month ago.


Neil


From mike at verinet.com  Mon Mar 17 16:47:50 2003
From: mike at verinet.com (Mike Loseke)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] old monitors & terminal
In-Reply-To: <20030317224703.GQ402@antediluvian.org> from "Neil Doane" at Mar 17, 2003 03:47:03 PM
Message-ID: <200303172347.h2HNloZO071645@io.frii.com>

Thus spake Neil Doane:
> 
> 
> Along in the same vein, is there anyone in town here who repairs broken
> computer monitors?  I've got a 21" Panasonic (P110) that just stopped 
> working about a month ago.

 "University TV" maybe. I recall asking them about monitors a few years ago
and they said they'd look at them but I never had one for them to work on.

-- 
   Mike Loseke    |
 mike@verinet.com | Programmer, hack thyself.

From underflounderlincypress at ceoecant.es  Tue Mar 18 01:13:17 2003
From: underflounderlincypress at ceoecant.es (Doreen Le)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] WHOLESALE INTEREST RATES ......
Message-ID: <PVHYHFWLIPZOSYTVUMJUYQJSXLLKGG@131.28.113.153>

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From caine at antediluvian.org  Tue Mar 18 10:01:54 2003
From: caine at antediluvian.org (Neil Doane)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] WHOLESALE INTEREST RATES ......
In-Reply-To: <PVHYHFWLIPZOSYTVUMJUYQJSXLLKGG@131.28.113.153>
References: <PVHYHFWLIPZOSYTVUMJUYQJSXLLKGG@131.28.113.153>
Message-ID: <20030318170154.GA415@antediluvian.org>

Has anyone considered SpamAssassin for the NCLUG list?  We seem to get alot
of this type of thing here...



Neil






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From preed at sigkill.com  Tue Mar 18 11:09:26 2003
From: preed at sigkill.com (J. Paul Reed)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] WHOLESALE INTEREST RATES ......
In-Reply-To: <20030318170154.GA415@antediluvian.org>; from caine@antediluvian.org on Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 10:01:54AM -0700
References: <PVHYHFWLIPZOSYTVUMJUYQJSXLLKGG@131.28.113.153> <20030318170154.GA415@antediluvian.org>
Message-ID: <20030318100926.D11876@sigkill.com>

On 18 Mar 2003 at 10:01:54, Neil Doane moved bits on my disk to say:

> Has anyone considered SpamAssassin for the NCLUG list?  We seem to get
> alot of this type of thing here...

There seems to be resistance to turning off external, non-subscribed
submissions to this list. 

Lord only knows why.

The story does have a clueful ending, though: install SpamAssassin locally
(or on your own mail server)... it even catches spam sent to your mailing
lists!!

Later,
Paul, who's been using SpamAssassin for just over a month now and loves it
to death
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From caine at antediluvian.org  Tue Mar 18 10:14:01 2003
From: caine at antediluvian.org (Neil Doane)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] WHOLESALE INTEREST RATES ......
In-Reply-To: <20030318100926.D11876@sigkill.com>
References: <PVHYHFWLIPZOSYTVUMJUYQJSXLLKGG@131.28.113.153> <20030318170154.GA415@antediluvian.org> <20030318100926.D11876@sigkill.com>
Message-ID: <20030318171401.GB415@antediluvian.org>

* J. Paul Reed (preed@sigkill.com) [030318 10:11]:
> On 18 Mar 2003 at 10:01:54, Neil Doane moved bits on my disk to say:
> 
> > Has anyone considered SpamAssassin for the NCLUG list?  We seem to get
> > alot of this type of thing here...
> 
> There seems to be resistance to turning off external, non-subscribed
> submissions to this list. 
> 
> Lord only knows why.

Ah.  I see.  Okee, well, I just thought I'd mention it. :)
 
> The story does have a clueful ending, though: install SpamAssassin locally
> (or on your own mail server)... it even catches spam sent to your mailing
> lists!!

Werd.




Neil

From jchaney at stornetsolutions.com  Tue Mar 18 14:43:08 2003
From: jchaney at stornetsolutions.com (John Chaney)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] SDLT320 settings in stinit.def
Message-ID: <001b01c2ed97$5e5468f0$2464070a@Stornet.com>

Does anyone have the SDLT320 stinit.def settings?

Thanks,

John Chaney <><

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From: jafo-nclug at tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] WHOLESALE INTEREST RATES ......
In-Reply-To: <20030318170154.GA415@antediluvian.org>
References: <PVHYHFWLIPZOSYTVUMJUYQJSXLLKGG@131.28.113.153> <20030318170154.GA415@antediluvian.org>
Message-ID: <20030319020443.GB28034@tummy.com>

On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 10:01:54AM -0700, Neil Doane wrote:
>Has anyone considered SpamAssassin for the NCLUG list?  We seem to get alot
>of this type of thing here...

Yes, it has been considered.  I think it got implemented around a year
ago...  I'm not sure why this one made it through.

Sean
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From dobbster at dobbster.com  Wed Mar 19 03:32:16 2003
From: dobbster at dobbster.com (dobbster)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] knewsticker
Message-ID: <3E784730.85275B8A@dobbster.com>

Hi all,

I just discovered knewsticker.  It's a nifty application.  However, I
can't figure out how to read entire articles from the article
"headlines".  I can click on a headline or select it by right-clicking
on the ticker, but nothing seems to work.

Do I need to change file associations in the KDE control center?  If so,
which ones?

Thanks,

Mark Story (dobbster@dobbster.com)

From wsteffes at verinet.com  Wed Mar 19 14:03:37 2003
From: wsteffes at verinet.com (William Steffes)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] old monitors & terminal
In-Reply-To: <3E765322.5090208@frii.com>
References: <3E765322.5090208@frii.com>
Message-ID: <1048107817.1544.22.camel@stinky>

There is a recycling center on North College that will take monitors for
$4.  The recycling center on Mulberry, Colorado iron and metal, will
take them for $10.

Ok not free - but not awful either.


On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 15:58, Daniel Herrington wrote:
> I'm cleaning out my basement, and I've got a couple of very old monitors 
> and an RS-232 terminal that I need to dispose of.  Isn't there some 
> event that happens here in FC where they recycle old computer equipment? 
>  If so, does anyone have any dates for this year's?  Or, is there some 
> place I can legally dump these without paying a fee?
> 
> Thanks,
> Daniel
-- 
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From jens001 at attbi.com  Wed Mar 19 12:18:07 2003
From: jens001 at attbi.com (Mike W Jensen)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] knewsticker
In-Reply-To: <3E784730.85275B8A@dobbster.com>
References: <3E784730.85275B8A@dobbster.com>
Message-ID: <200303191218.07846.jens001@attbi.com>

I think you can't just click on an artical.  I beleave the idea of it is to 
intise you to goto slashdot.  I might be wrong I havent used it in a long 
time (way back when i was in kde) but I don't think you can goto an artical 
from it.
On Wednesday 19 March 2003 03:32 am, dobbster wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just discovered knewsticker.  It's a nifty application.  However, I
> can't figure out how to read entire articles from the article
> "headlines".  I can click on a headline or select it by right-clicking
> on the ticker, but nothing seems to work.
>
> Do I need to change file associations in the KDE control center?  If so,
> which ones?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark Story (dobbster@dobbster.com)
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From David at bj.cnuninet.net  Wed Mar 19 23:15:42 2003
From: David at bj.cnuninet.net (David)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Gat Cash Out!
Message-ID: <mailman.77.1195148710.26505.nclug@nclug.org>

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From: David at public.east.net.cn (David)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Gat Cash Out!
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From dobbster at dobbster.com  Thu Mar 20 00:33:02 2003
From: dobbster at dobbster.com (dobbster)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] knewsticker
References: <3E784730.85275B8A@dobbster.com> <200303191218.07846.jens001@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <3E796EAE.92F36C69@dobbster.com>

Hi,

It turns out that I can drag articles to a Konqueror window to view
them.  Beyond that, I'm not sure what to do, but it doesn't matter
much.  nce the novelty wears off, I'll probably remove the applet. 
After running it for a bit I realize that I can certainly live without
it.

Thanks,

Mark

Mike W Jensen wrote:
> 
> I think you can't just click on an artical.  I beleave the idea of it is to
> intise you to goto slashdot.  I might be wrong I havent used it in a long
> time (way back when i was in kde) but I don't think you can goto an artical
> from it.
> On Wednesday 19 March 2003 03:32 am, dobbster wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just discovered knewsticker.  It's a nifty application.  However, I
> > can't figure out how to read entire articles from the article
> > "headlines".  I can click on a headline or select it by right-clicking
> > on the ticker, but nothing seems to work.
> >
> > Do I need to change file associations in the KDE control center?  If so,
> > which ones?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark Story (dobbster@dobbster.com)
> > _______________________________________________
> > NCLUG mailing list       NCLUG@nclug.org
> >
> > To unsubscribe, subscribe, or modify your settings, go to:
> > http://www.nclug.org/mailman/listinfo/nclug
> 
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From Mindy_Thomas at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 20 01:23:33 2003
From: Mindy_Thomas at yahoo.com (Mindy Thomas)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] here's the link, let me know
Message-ID: <mailman.79.1195148710.26505.nclug@nclug.org>

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From mojo_head at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 21 11:58:45 2003
From: mojo_head at yahoo.com (Erich)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Help - machine died!
Message-ID: <20030321185845.32792.qmail@web13506.mail.yahoo.com>

A machine running Krud 7.2 died early this morning. 

Re-boot fails as it cannot mount /proc filesystem.  Using
the "linux rescue" feature of a 7.3 disc, I have mounted
and verified that the /proc fs is intact.

It appears that mount/umount has gone missing.

I get the error 'execvp cannot find mount/umount' - or
something close to that.  When issuing shutdown,
/etc/rc.d0/S10Halt issues same error.

The machine has both RH2.4.9-13SMP and RH2.4.9-13 on it. 
Both fail identically.

In addition, all current message logs are blank.  I have
nothing after march 9th.  This is odd/suspicious.  An
automated check that generates email on error indicates
that the machine died slowly (over several hours).  This
would seem to me to be unlike a crack signature, which I
assume would happen suddenly.

It seems like much if not all of the fs is intact.  Any
ideas on ressurecting this thing?

Erich

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From jbass at dmsd.com  Fri Mar 21 14:27:47 2003
From: jbass at dmsd.com (John L. Bass)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Help - machine died!
Message-ID: <20030321212747.C1A801A983E@dmsd.com>

start with "rpm -Va" to see what installed files are missing
or corrupted.

John

From David at 51em.com  Sun Mar 23 17:33:38 2003
From: David at 51em.com (David)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Get Cash Out!
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From jafo-nclug at tummy.com  Mon Mar 24 10:12:44 2003
From: jafo-nclug at tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Help - machine died!
In-Reply-To: <20030321212747.C1A801A983E@dmsd.com>
References: <20030321212747.C1A801A983E@dmsd.com>
Message-ID: <20030324171243.GB23827@tummy.com>

On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 02:27:47PM -0700, John L. Bass wrote:
>start with "rpm -Va" to see what installed files are missing
>or corrupted.

From rich at ExperiencePlus.Com  Mon Mar 24 10:58:28 2003
From: rich at ExperiencePlus.Com (Rich Young)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Pretty Pesky Port Passing Problem
Message-ID: <F946E5F329C1D21192DE00E0C5F4069C54383C@www1.explus.com>

We've recently installed a new web server on our network, inside the
firewall, and simply port-passed :80 to the new server from the
firewall/former webserver.  It works great if you're outside the building,
but anyone inside the firewall can no longer simply type in the URL of our
website and get it to load.  Using the internal IP address does work, but my
co-workers would like to avoid memorizing any IP addresses....

Does anyone have any advice on resolving this problem?

From jbass at dmsd.com  Mon Mar 24 11:02:47 2003
From: jbass at dmsd.com (John L. Bass)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Pretty Pesky Port Passing Problem
Message-ID: <200303241802.h2OI2lE03496@dmsd.com>

Rich Young <rich@ExperiencePlus.Com> writes:

> We've recently installed a new web server on our network, inside the
> firewall, and simply port-passed :80 to the new server from the
> firewall/former webserver.  It works great if you're outside the building,
> but anyone inside the firewall can no longer simply type in the URL of our
> website and get it to load.  Using the internal IP address does work, but my
> co-workers would like to avoid memorizing any IP addresses....
>
> Does anyone have any advice on resolving this problem?

Consider using bind/named with sortlist?
Or different internal/external name servers?

John

From kevin at scrye.com  Mon Mar 24 11:29:51 2003
From: kevin at scrye.com (Kevin Fenzi)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Pretty Pesky Port Passing Problem
References: <F946E5F329C1D21192DE00E0C5F4069C54383C@www1.explus.com>
Message-ID: <20030324182954.27486F7E64@voldemort.scrye.com>

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>>>>> "Rich" == Rich Young <rich@ExperiencePlus.Com> writes:

Rich> We've recently installed a new web server on our network, inside
Rich> the firewall, and simply port-passed :80 to the new server from
Rich> the firewall/former webserver.  It works great if you're outside
Rich> the building, but anyone inside the firewall can no longer
Rich> simply type in the URL of our website and get it to load.  Using
Rich> the internal IP address does work, but my co-workers would like
Rich> to avoid memorizing any IP addresses....

Rich> Does anyone have any advice on resolving this problem?

Are you using iptables on your firewall?

If so, the problem I have seen before is that the firewall doesn't
know that it should nat internal ip's to the external addresses. 

So, something like: 

/sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j SNAT -s <internalnet> --to-source <external ip>

Where eth1 is my internal interface. 

Allows it to talk to the external ip's from internal addresses. 

kevin
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From jafo at tummy.com  Tue Mar 25 15:49:46 2003
From: jafo at tummy.com (Sean Reifschneider)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] (TEMPORARY Location) ANN: NCLUG Hacking Society, April 01, 2003
Message-ID: <20030325224946.4789.qmail@tummy.com>

Sorry for the late notice.  EFM and I are going out to a conference this
week and were totally busy this weekend getting ready to go.  Note that the
meeting is at the Wired Bean tonight.

NOTE: New meeting space.  Read below for more information.

   Dinner: Silver Mine Subs, 7pm
   Meeting: Wired Bean Coffee Shop, West Elizabeth, 8pm

This Tuesday from 8pm to 11pm we will be having another installment of the
Hacking Society.  At 7pm we'll be gathering at a restaurant for dinner,
then heading over to the normal place at 8pm for the main event.

Note that this week Sean and Evelyn are out of town, and will not be able
to provide a space for the meeting.  However, we have checked with the
Wired Bean Coffee Shop, and they will be open until Midnight Tuesday.
Dinner will be at the Silver Mine Subs in the same building.  They are both
just short of a block West of the CSU campus on Elizabeth.

The goal of the Hacking Society is to foster geek community-building
through the shared experience of hacking. Of course, by "hacking",
I mean the more historic meaning of working on interesting projects
(Jargon File "hack" entry, sense 6). Not the "script kiddies trying to
compromise boxes" meaning which has become what most people think of in
relation to the term.

It's meant to be a sacred place full of positive hacking energy, if you
will.  Hacking by osmosis...

Hacking Society is primarily meant for you to come and work on your own
projects, as opposed to soliciting others to solve your problems (which is
usually more what goes on at an Install Fest or at the main NCLUG
meetings).

More information on Hacking Society, including some ideas for projects to
work on there, can be found at:

   http://www.hackingsociety.org/

Sean
-- 
 What no spouse of a programmer can ever understand is that a programmer is
 working when he's staring out the window.
Sean Reifschneider, Inimitably Superfluous <jafo@tummy.com>
tummy.com - Linux Consulting since 1995. Qmail, KRUD, Firewalls, Python

From Billgaiz at wh129.com  Wed Mar 26 02:47:21 2003
From: Billgaiz at wh129.com (Billgaiz)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Gat Cash Out!
Message-ID: <mailman.82.1195148710.26505.nclug@nclug.org>

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From willy at debian.org  Wed Mar 26 06:04:01 2003
From: willy at debian.org (Matthew Wilcox)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] Fort Collins Web Of Trust
Message-ID: <20030326130401.GA31008@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk>

I've been playing around with the PGP Web Of Trust and generating
pretty pictures like the one at
http://www.parisc-linux.org/~willy/ftfun/report.html

If any of you are in or around Fort Collins and want your key to be
added to the analysis, just mail me.

-- 
"It's not Hollywood.  War is real, war is primarily not about defeat or
victory, it is about death.  I've seen thousands and thousands of dead bodies.
Do you think I want to have an academic debate on this subject?" -- Robert Fisk

From CJ.Keist at engr.colostate.edu  Wed Mar 26 13:57:15 2003
From: CJ.Keist at engr.colostate.edu (Christopher J. Keist)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] NFS question
Message-ID: <85F0FE62-5FCD-11D7-8237-000393B500B6@engr.colostate.edu>

I have a RH7.2 file server exporting its file system via NFS.  All my  
clients are mounting it okay, but I see an oddity.  When I do an  
rpcinfo -p localhost it is only show nfs for udp, no tcp listed.
     100005    1   udp  41819  mountd
     100005    1   tcp  45917  mountd
     100005    2   udp  41819  mountd
     100005    2   tcp  45917  mountd
     100005    3   udp  41819  mountd
     100005    3   tcp  45917  mountd
     100003    2   udp   2049  nfs
     100003    3   udp   2049  nfs

Anyone know why it would not be showing tcp for nfs?  Is this something  
to worry about?  All my other file servers, all Solaris, show both udp  
and tcp nfs.

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C. J. Keist                     Email: cj.keist@engr.colostate.edu
UNIX/Network Manager            Phone: 970-491-0630
Engineering Network Services    Fax:   970-491-2465
College of Engineering, CSU
Ft. Collins, CO 80523-1301

All I want is a chance to prove 'Money can't buy happiness'"


From jbass at dmsd.com  Wed Mar 26 14:01:14 2003
From: jbass at dmsd.com (John L. Bass)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] NFS question
Message-ID: <200303262101.h2QL1EM08366@dmsd.com>

"Christopher J. Keist" <CJ.Keist@engr.colostate.edu> writes:
>      100003    2   udp   2049  nfs
>      100003    3   udp   2049  nfs
>
> Anyone know why it would not be showing tcp for nfs?  Is this something  
> to worry about?  All my other file servers, all Solaris, show both udp  
> and tcp nfs.

NFS defaults as a UDP protocol, a natural side effect of being a packet oriented
service rather than a data stream which is more suited for TCP.

John

From CJ.Keist at engr.colostate.edu  Wed Mar 26 14:07:32 2003
From: CJ.Keist at engr.colostate.edu (Christopher J. Keist)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] NFS question
In-Reply-To: <200303262101.h2QL1EM08366@dmsd.com>
Message-ID: <F5D8BE6A-5FCE-11D7-8237-000393B500B6@engr.colostate.edu>

Thanks, I just saw that you have to have that compiled in.  Also says  
still in experimental stages.

On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 02:01  PM, John L. Bass wrote:

> "Christopher J. Keist" <CJ.Keist@engr.colostate.edu> writes:
>>      100003    2   udp   2049  nfs
>>      100003    3   udp   2049  nfs
>>
>> Anyone know why it would not be showing tcp for nfs?  Is this  
>> something
>> to worry about?  All my other file servers, all Solaris, show both udp
>> and tcp nfs.
>
> NFS defaults as a UDP protocol, a natural side effect of being a  
> packet oriented
> service rather than a data stream which is more suited for TCP.
>
> John
> _______________________________________________
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>
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UNIX/Network Manager            Phone: 970-491-0630
Engineering Network Services    Fax:   970-491-2465
College of Engineering, CSU
Ft. Collins, CO 80523-1301

All I want is a chance to prove 'Money can't buy happiness'"


From mike at verinet.com  Wed Mar 26 14:21:28 2003
From: mike at verinet.com (Mike Loseke)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:10 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] NFS question
In-Reply-To: <F5D8BE6A-5FCE-11D7-8237-000393B500B6@engr.colostate.edu> from "Christopher J. Keist" at Mar 26, 2003 02:07:32 PM
Message-ID: <200303262121.h2QLLSIs075912@io.frii.com>

Thus spake Christopher J. Keist:
> 
> Thanks, I just saw that you have to have that compiled in.  Also says  
> still in experimental stages.

 I can attest to NFS v3 over TCP working quite well. I have 30+ clients
in a compute ranch which are accessing applications and data over NFS with
no problems. Attribute caching, as with all NFS clients, can rear it's
ugly head during certain race conditions, but it isn't specific to Linux.

 Of these machines I have a few which are exporting data to Linux and
Solaris clients. These are mounted v2/udp (explicitly by the client) for
reasons other than NFS performance. At one point there was a reverse lookup
taking place which caused a mount to take way too long (2, even 3 seconds!)
and I backed it out to v2/udp for my own sanity. I haven't re-tested this
at this time.

 As you stated, you just have to enable it all during a kernel build if
you're rolling one by hand.


> On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 02:01  PM, John L. Bass wrote:
> 
> > "Christopher J. Keist" <CJ.Keist@engr.colostate.edu> writes:
> >>      100003    2   udp   2049  nfs
> >>      100003    3   udp   2049  nfs
> >>
> >> Anyone know why it would not be showing tcp for nfs?  Is this  
> >> something
> >> to worry about?  All my other file servers, all Solaris, show both udp
> >> and tcp nfs.
> >
> > NFS defaults as a UDP protocol, a natural side effect of being a  
> > packet oriented
> > service rather than a data stream which is more suited for TCP.

-- 
   Mike Loseke    | If you thought Linux Advocates were obnoxious now,
 mike@verinet.com | wait 'til you see the new, improved Linux Amiga
                  | Advocate! -- Anonymous Coward on Slashdot

From mailresumes at lycos.com  Thu Mar 27 08:23:29 2003
From: mailresumes at lycos.com (helios )
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] need e-mail add
Message-ID: <3E831771.000003.91071@system1.home>

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From preed at sigkill.com  Thu Mar 27 09:30:57 2003
From: preed at sigkill.com (J. Paul Reed)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: Spam! AGAIN!! Re: [NCLUG] nclug.org
In-Reply-To: <1851CR1000004317@p1j2m3a4.pdhost.com>; from sender@coolstats.com on Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 12:33:16PM +0800
References: <1851CR1000004317@p1j2m3a4.pdhost.com>
Message-ID: <20030327083057.C22422@sigkill.com>

On 25 Mar 2003 at 12:33:16, Jane Brooks moved bits on my disk to say:

> I thought you might be interested in getting in-depth knowledge about
> your web audience and web traffic patterns in a reliable and
> cost-effective way.

Having just come back from Spring Break and cleaned out about seven or so
spam messages that SpamAssassin didn't catch (I guess?), I'd like to pose
the question again: why is this mailing list open to non-subscribers?

I'm asking publicly because 

a) this is getting absurd; I get enough spam as it is; I don't need more
from NCLUG, 

b) we've had a change of leadership (I guess?) 

c) I never got a (valid) answer the first time around and d) I don't seem
to be in the minority on people who don't "get" this (although, admittedly,
I'm in the *vocal* minority). 

So, what possibly defensible reason is there for that policy?

Later,
Paul
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To hold on to sanity too tight is insane.   -- Nick Falzone, Pushing Tin

I use PGP; you should use PGP too... if only to piss off John Ashcroft

From efm at tummy.com  Thu Mar 27 09:37:18 2003
From: efm at tummy.com (Evelyn Mitchell)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: Spam! AGAIN!! Re: [NCLUG] nclug.org
In-Reply-To: <20030327083057.C22422@sigkill.com>
References: <1851CR1000004317@p1j2m3a4.pdhost.com> <20030327083057.C22422@sigkill.com>
Message-ID: <20030327163718.GA2661@tummy.com>

* On 2003-03-27 16:35 J. Paul Reed <preed@sigkill.com> wrote:
> On 25 Mar 2003 at 12:33:16, Jane Brooks moved bits on my disk to say:
> 
> > I thought you might be interested in getting in-depth knowledge about
> > your web audience and web traffic patterns in a reliable and
> > cost-effective way.
> 
> b) we've had a change of leadership (I guess?) 
> 

Yes, Paul. We had a meeting, and appointed you mailing list manager. Didn't
you get the memo? :)


I'd be delighted if we moved to a moderated list. The traffic isn't so
terribly high that we couldn't do that. 

-- 
Regards,                    tummy.com, ltd 
Evelyn Mitchell             Linux Consulting since 1995
efm@tummy.com               Senior System and Network Administrators
                            http://www.tummy.com/

From mike at verinet.com  Thu Mar 27 09:42:21 2003
From: mike at verinet.com (Mike Loseke)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: Spam! AGAIN!! Re: [NCLUG] nclug.org
In-Reply-To: <20030327163718.GA2661@tummy.com> from "Evelyn Mitchell" at Mar 27, 2003 09:37:18 AM
Message-ID: <200303271642.h2RGgLwf014923@io.frii.com>

Thus spake Evelyn Mitchell:
> 
> * On 2003-03-27 16:35 J. Paul Reed <preed@sigkill.com> wrote:
> > On 25 Mar 2003 at 12:33:16, Jane Brooks moved bits on my disk to say:
> > 
> > > I thought you might be interested in getting in-depth knowledge about
> > > your web audience and web traffic patterns in a reliable and
> > > cost-effective way.
> > 
> > b) we've had a change of leadership (I guess?) 
> > 
> 
> Yes, Paul. We had a meeting, and appointed you mailing list manager. Didn't
> you get the memo? :)
> 
> 
> I'd be delighted if we moved to a moderated list. The traffic isn't so
> terribly high that we couldn't do that. 

 Please, not moderated. Closed to non-subscribers, yes please, but for
Pete's sake please don't switch it to moderated.

-- 
   Mike Loseke    | If you thought Linux Advocates were obnoxious now,
 mike@verinet.com | wait 'til you see the new, improved Linux Amiga
                  | Advocate! -- Anonymous Coward on Slashdot

From jcizek at yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU  Thu Mar 27 09:43:44 2003
From: jcizek at yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU (James Cizek)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: Spam! AGAIN!! Re: [NCLUG] nclug.org
In-Reply-To: <20030327163718.GA2661@tummy.com> from "Evelyn Mitchell" at Mar 27, 2003 09:37:18 AM
Message-ID: <200303271643.JAA18696@yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU>


  I don't think you even need moderation.  Just close the list so that
  only subscribers can send to it.  That would stop the spam right there.
  I think changing that one setting would make a lot of people very happy!
 
   James   james@colostate.edu


 I'd be delighted if we moved to a moderated list. The traffic isn't so
 terribly high that we couldn't do that. 
 
 -- 
 Regards,                    tummy.com, ltd 
 Evelyn Mitchell             Linux Consulting since 1995
 efm@tummy.com               Senior System and Network Administrators
                             http://www.tummy.com/
 _______________________________________________
 NCLUG mailing list       NCLUG@nclug.org
 
 To unsubscribe, subscribe, or modify your settings, go to:
 http://www.nclug.org/mailman/listinfo/nclug
 
 


From dherr at frii.com  Thu Mar 27 09:41:24 2003
From: dherr at frii.com (Daniel Herrington)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: Spam! AGAIN!! Re: [NCLUG] nclug.org
References: <200303271643.JAA18696@yuma.acns.ColoState.EDU>
Message-ID: <3E8329B4.9010904@frii.com>

I know ezmlm allows you to create a closed list which is moderated for 
any non-subscribers posting to the list, but not moderated for 
subscribers posting to it. I would guess that most major mailing list 
tools would have something like this.

Daniel

-- 
Daniel Herrington, Electrical Engineer
Email: dherr@frii.com
Web:   http://www.frii.com/~dherr



James Cizek wrote:

>  I don't think you even need moderation.  Just close the list so that
>  only subscribers can send to it.  That would stop the spam right there.
>  I think changing that one setting would make a lot of people very happy!
> 
>   James   james@colostate.edu
>
>
> I'd be delighted if we moved to a moderated list. The traffic isn't so
> terribly high that we couldn't do that. 
> 
> -- 
> Regards,                    tummy.com, ltd 
> Evelyn Mitchell             Linux Consulting since 1995
> efm@tummy.com               Senior System and Network Administrators
>                             http://www.tummy.com/
> _______________________________________________
> NCLUG mailing list       NCLUG@nclug.org
> 
> To unsubscribe, subscribe, or modify your settings, go to:
> http://www.nclug.org/mailman/listinfo/nclug
> 
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From jdewitt at verinet.com  Thu Mar 27 10:21:49 2003
From: jdewitt at verinet.com (James DeWitt)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: Spam! AGAIN!! Re: [NCLUG] nclug.org
In-Reply-To: <20030327083057.C22422@sigkill.com>
References: <1851CR1000004317@p1j2m3a4.pdhost.com> <20030327083057.C22422@sigkill.com>
Message-ID: <200303271021.49147.jdewitt@verinet.com>

Hello NCLUGgers,

I switched to "only allow subscribers to post" for twelve hours 
a couple of weeks ago.  During that time, no spam was received 
and all the posts were held for moderation because subscribers 
sent them from alternate email addresses.  This is clearly unworkable.

Please, let us discuss this at the next meeting or off-list because
it is not Linux related.

Thank you,
James DeWitt




On Thursday 27 March 2003 09:30 am, J. Paul Reed wrote:
> On 25 Mar 2003 at 12:33:16, Jane Brooks moved bits on my disk to say:
> > I thought you might be interested in getting in-depth knowledge about
> > your web audience and web traffic patterns in a reliable and
> > cost-effective way.
>
> Having just come back from Spring Break and cleaned out about seven or so
> spam messages that SpamAssassin didn't catch (I guess?), I'd like to pose
> the question again: why is this mailing list open to non-subscribers?
>
> I'm asking publicly because
>
> a) this is getting absurd; I get enough spam as it is; I don't need more
> from NCLUG,
>
> b) we've had a change of leadership (I guess?)
>
> c) I never got a (valid) answer the first time around and d) I don't seem
> to be in the minority on people who don't "get" this (although, admittedly,
> I'm in the *vocal* minority).
>
> So, what possibly defensible reason is there for that policy?
>
> Later,
> Paul
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
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From preed at sigkill.com  Thu Mar 27 11:20:25 2003
From: preed at sigkill.com (J. Paul Reed)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: Spam! AGAIN!! Re: [NCLUG] nclug.org
In-Reply-To: <200303271021.49147.jdewitt@verinet.com>; from jdewitt@verinet.com on Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 10:21:49AM -0700
References: <1851CR1000004317@p1j2m3a4.pdhost.com> <20030327083057.C22422@sigkill.com> <200303271021.49147.jdewitt@verinet.com>
Message-ID: <20030327102025.A23662@sigkill.com>

On 27 Mar 2003 at 10:21:49, James DeWitt moved bits on my disk to say:

> I switched to "only allow subscribers to post" for twelve hours a couple
> of weeks ago.  During that time, no spam was received and all the posts
> were held for moderation because subscribers sent them from alternate
> email addresses.  This is clearly unworkable.

This is a "user head space" problem, not an NCLUG mailing list problem.

Give it a few weeks, or notify people which addresses they're subbed under
as the bounces occur.

It'll fix itself.

> Please, let us discuss this at the next meeting or off-list because it is
> not Linux related.

It's an operational issue that's very important to many of us. As such, I
don't see why it can't be discussed on-list because of its importance, and
because some of us won't be making it to the next meeting.

Later,
Paul
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From dmiles at holly.colostate.edu  Thu Mar 27 14:56:20 2003
From: dmiles at holly.colostate.edu (Daniel Miles)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: Spam! AGAIN!! Re: [NCLUG] nclug.org
In-Reply-To: <20030327102025.A23662@sigkill.com>
References: <1851CR1000004317@p1j2m3a4.pdhost.com>
	 <20030327083057.C22422@sigkill.com>
	 <200303271021.49147.jdewitt@verinet.com>
	 <20030327102025.A23662@sigkill.com>
Message-ID: <1048802179.9466.2.camel@Jane>

I really think that as long as we all know that only our subscribed
address can get a mesg on the list we can deal with that, the spam is
really getting bad.

Is there any not-way-too-complicated way to put it to a vote?


From preed at sigkill.com  Thu Mar 27 18:11:01 2003
From: preed at sigkill.com (J. Paul Reed)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: Spam! AGAIN!! Re: [NCLUG] nclug.org
In-Reply-To: <1048802179.9466.2.camel@Jane>; from dmiles@holly.colostate.edu on Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 02:56:20PM -0700
References: <1851CR1000004317@p1j2m3a4.pdhost.com> <20030327083057.C22422@sigkill.com> <200303271021.49147.jdewitt@verinet.com> <20030327102025.A23662@sigkill.com> <1048802179.9466.2.camel@Jane>
Message-ID: <20030327171101.A25706@sigkill.com>

On 27 Mar 2003 at 14:56:20, Daniel Miles moved bits on my disk to say:

> Is there any not-way-too-complicated way to put it to a vote?

Not to put too fine a point on it, but do we really *need* to put it to a
vote?

I've not heard *one* person argue for an open list.

Anyone?

Bueller? Bueller?

Later,
Paul
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From milli at acmeps.com  Thu Mar 27 18:11:53 2003
From: milli at acmeps.com (Michael Milligan)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: Spam! AGAIN!! Re: [NCLUG] nclug.org
In-Reply-To: <20030327102025.A23662@sigkill.com>
References: <1851CR1000004317@p1j2m3a4.pdhost.com> <20030327083057.C22422@sigkill.com> <200303271021.49147.jdewitt@verinet.com> <20030327102025.A23662@sigkill.com>
Message-ID: <3E83A159.2060902@acmeps.com>

J. Paul Reed wrote:
> On 27 Mar 2003 at 10:21:49, James DeWitt moved bits on my disk to say:
> 
> 
>>I switched to "only allow subscribers to post" for twelve hours a couple
>>of weeks ago.  During that time, no spam was received and all the posts
>>were held for moderation because subscribers sent them from alternate
>>email addresses.  This is clearly unworkable.
> 
> This is a "user head space" problem, not an NCLUG mailing list problem.
> 
> Give it a few weeks, or notify people which addresses they're subbed under
> as the bounces occur.
> 
> It'll fix itself.
> 

I concur.

All the other mailing lists I'm on (40 or so) are Closed lists and 
somebody checks the owner queue every day or two and forwards the 
legitimate messages with a standard(ish) header noting that the address 
was not subscribe and to please use the subscribed address.  It's also 
not hard with most mailing list managers to have alternate addresses in 
an authorized poster list that are allowed straight through but don't 
receive list traffic.  I'm all for making NCLUG a closed list.

All this means is a little bit of work for someone.  Putting my money 
where my mouth is, I'll volunteer to take care of the moderation side of 
this if nobody else (Paul?) is interested.  Spam Assassin is great (I 
run it on my MTAs for local mail delivery), but is not perfect, and not 
really well suited for mailing lists, IMHO.  As good as SA is, there's 
always the possibility that legitimate messages get marked as spam.  And 
it seems that is the crux of the issue.  "That's just not natural."

Regards,
Mike

-- 
Michael Milligan  --  Free Agent  --  milli@acmeps.com


From preed at sigkill.com  Thu Mar 27 20:45:18 2003
From: preed at sigkill.com (J. Paul Reed)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: Spam! AGAIN!! Re: [NCLUG] nclug.org
In-Reply-To: <20030328021828.GA25705@maishi.org>; from quent@pobox.com on Thu, Mar 27, 2003 at 07:18:28PM -0700
References: <1851CR1000004317@p1j2m3a4.pdhost.com> <20030327083057.C22422@sigkill.com> <200303271021.49147.jdewitt@verinet.com> <20030327102025.A23662@sigkill.com> <3E83A159.2060902@acmeps.com> <20030328021828.GA25705@maishi.org>
Message-ID: <20030327194518.A26445@sigkill.com>

On 27 Mar 2003 at 19:18:28, quent moved bits on my disk to say:

> If the mailing list software automatically responds to posts from
> non-subscribers to say "hey, you need to subscribe", and the SPAM posting
> is from a bogus address, won't that be a royal pain, with all the bounces
> and perpetual mail from MAILER-DAEMON? 

I would rather one person get one bounce than all of us get the spam.

Later,
Paul
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From milli at acmeps.com  Thu Mar 27 21:10:01 2003
From: milli at acmeps.com (Michael Milligan)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: Spam! AGAIN!! Re: [NCLUG] nclug.org
In-Reply-To: <20030328021828.GA25705@maishi.org>
References: <1851CR1000004317@p1j2m3a4.pdhost.com> <20030327083057.C22422@sigkill.com> <200303271021.49147.jdewitt@verinet.com> <20030327102025.A23662@sigkill.com> <3E83A159.2060902@acmeps.com> <20030328021828.GA25705@maishi.org>
Message-ID: <3E83CB19.4090003@acmeps.com>

quent wrote:
> If the mailing list software automatically responds to posts from
> non-subscribers to say "hey, you need to subscribe", and the SPAM posting
> is from a bogus address, won't that be a royal pain, with all the bounces
> and perpetual mail from MAILER-DAEMON?

Correct.  The queue will be full of junk that'll double-bounce after a 
few days.  I wouldn't set it up to have any sort of auto-response to 
unauthorized messages sent to the list, just diverted to the owner queue 
for action.

> If it's not automatic then someone
> will have a daily job to do.

Yup.  And I'm volunteering.  Pretty straightforward to sift through a 
mailbox, find legitimate stuff, forward those, then dump the rest.

Regards,
Mike

-- 
Michael Milligan  --  Free Agent  --  milli@acmeps.com


From matt at lackof.org  Thu Mar 27 23:35:57 2003
From: matt at lackof.org (Matt Taggart)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] April NCLUG Meeting
Message-ID: <200303272335.57807.jdewitt@verinet.com>

Hi NCLUGers,

What: April NCLUG Meeting
When: Tuesday April 1st, 6pm (before they lock the door)
Where: Home State Bank, 303 E. Mountain Ave (map on the website)
Food afterward:  Tailgate Tommy's 145 E Mountain Ave.

Presenter:  Hugh Mahon
Topic:  A How-To discussion of VPNs and secure tunnels.

Followed by:  A short discussion about fighting spam on the mailing list.

See you there!

--
James DeWitt


From whelanj at eeng.dcu.ie  Fri Mar 28 08:41:14 2003
From: whelanj at eeng.dcu.ie (John Whelan)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] NFS mount problem
Message-ID: <3E846D1A.C8A80BC1@eeng.dcu.ie>

Hi Michael,

In May 2001 you posted a problem you were having with mounting nfs when you use
the @netgroup entry in the /etc/exports file. Your posting is shown below.
I have the exact same problem, i.e. I am getting Permission denied on clients
who are present in the netgroup and hence should be able to mount the exported
file system. On the export host (Intel box) I am running  Suse 8.1 and trying to
mount the filesystem on a sparc 20 running Solaris 2.5.1.

Can you advise on your solution.

Many thanks.

Michael Coffman nclug@nclug.org
Fri, 11 May 2001 07:50:33 -0600 (MDT)

    Previous message: [NCLUG] help, network connections
    Next message: [NCLUG] /etc/exports question
    Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]



I just re-installed my system with the latest KRUD.  I have
been using mandrake prior to this without issue.  I am not
getting what I think should be the appropriate behaviour from
nfs/mountd.  The only enties in my /etc/exports file that seem
to allow remote hosts to mount are single host entries.  If I
try

  /home @all(rw)   # @all is a valid netgroup and yp is running

I get a "Permission denied" error on the client and following entry in
/var/log/messages:

  May 11 07:44:18 critter rpc.mountd: refused mount request from joker for /home
(/): no export entry

Same results with the entry:

  /home *.ftc.agilent.com(rw)

But it works if I use:

  /home joker(rw)

I also tried:

  /home 130.29.208.0/28(rw)

With no luck.  I was not sure how to format that last one.  It is a class C
network.

Any ideas where to look for why only the host name is working in /etc/exports?

-MichaelC
------------------------------------------------------------------
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Glasnevin, Dublin 9, Ireland.
EMAIL: whelanj@eeng.dcu.ie
FAX:   +353-1-7005024
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From jbass at dmsd.com  Fri Mar 28 12:56:50 2003
From: jbass at dmsd.com (John L. Bass)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] NFS mount problem
Message-ID: <200303281956.h2SJuou13377@dmsd.com>

John Whelan <whelanj@eeng.dcu.ie> writes:
> In May 2001 you posted a problem you were having with mounting nfs when you use
> the @netgroup entry in the /etc/exports file. Your posting is shown below.
> I have the exact same problem, i.e. I am getting Permission denied on clients
> who are present in the netgroup and hence should be able to mount the exported
> file system. On the export host (Intel box) I am running  Suse 8.1 and trying to
> mount the filesystem on a sparc 20 running Solaris 2.5.1.

In many recient distributions you also have to make sure that NFS/Portmap is not
blocked by hosts.deny and/or enabled in host.allow AND that the firewall filter
rules in ipchains/iptables allow access.

John

From dherr at frii.com  Sat Mar 29 15:24:14 2003
From: dherr at frii.com (Daniel Herrington)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] php & mysql on frii
Message-ID: <3E861D0E.8050608@frii.com>

Hopefully someone else has been through this and can help me out. I want 
to set up a news website using PHP and MySQL on FRII. They gave me a 
database, which I can administrate using my secure shell login id. How 
can I keep my db.inc (the php include file that lists the database, 
user, password) from being readable by other users who also have shell 
access? I tried doing "chmod 600 db.inc" to make it readable only by me, 
but then the web server can't access it. Also, I wanted to set up 
multiple MySQL users for my database, but it looks like it's not 
possible, since I get an "ERROR 1044: Access denied for user" when I try 
to "grant select on <database>.* to guest".

My goal is to have a website that anyone can browse and see the current 
events, but only the administrator can add/edit/delete events. Has 
anyone else successfully set up a similar MySQL/PHP site on FRII's 
servers? I tried calling tech support, but the guy I talked to didn't 
know anything about setting up such things.

Thanks,
Daniel

-- 
Daniel Herrington, Electrical Engineer
Email: dherr@frii.com
Web:   http://www.frii.com/~dherr




From jbass at dmsd.com  Sat Mar 29 15:31:21 2003
From: jbass at dmsd.com (John L. Bass)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] php & mysql on frii
Message-ID: <200303292231.h2TMVL715815@dmsd.com>

Daniel Herrington <dherr@frii.com> writes:
> I tried calling tech support, but the guy I talked to didn't 
> know anything about setting up such things.

Try emailing support@frii.net which should allow the support staff to
route the question to someone familar with the technology inside FRII.
The first line support staff at any ISP are mostly trained to handle
only dialup connection related issues.

John

From listz at hate.cx  Sat Mar 29 19:44:44 2003
From: listz at hate.cx (listz@hate.cx)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] OpenSSH password prompting
Message-ID: <20030330024444.GM9158@chaos.enmity.org>

i'm trying to setup user accounts on my systems to have their passwords expire
in n days. the primary method for login to these systems is openssh. the system
works fine when i set sp_max, sp_warn and sp_inact in the shadow file and
openssh will tell you n days until your password expires, however once the
password expires and sp_inact has been exceeded the account is just locked out.
i'm trying to figure out how to setup the system to simply make the user change
their password once it has been expired before moving forward with giving them a
shell. did i explain that well enough to make sense? does anyone have any
thoughts on how to accomplish this? i've tried it with and without UseLogin to
no avail. a beer to the anyone who has a solution ;)

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From jbass at dmsd.com  Sun Mar 30 01:52:19 2003
From: jbass at dmsd.com (John L. Bass)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] OpenSSH password prompting
Message-ID: <200303300852.h2U8qJW16588@dmsd.com>

listz@hate.cx writes:
> did i explain that well enough to make sense? does anyone have any
> thoughts on how to accomplish this? i've tried it with and without UseLogin to
> no avail. a beer to the anyone who has a solution ;)

Cron script that looks for locked out accounts, clears the flag and forces
the users shell to a script that runs passwd before restoring the shell and
exec'ing it?

John

From coffman at ftc.agilent.com  Mon Mar 31 07:39:16 2003
From: coffman at ftc.agilent.com (Michael Coffman)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] NFS mount problem
In-Reply-To: <3E846D1A.C8A80BC1@eeng.dcu.ie>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303310731000.3324-100000@critter.ftc.agilent.com>

On Fri, 28 Mar 2003, John Whelan wrote:

 > Hi Michael,
 > 
 > In May 2001 you posted a problem you were having with mounting nfs when you use
 > the @netgroup entry in the /etc/exports file. Your posting is shown below.
 > I have the exact same problem, i.e. I am getting Permission denied on clients
 > who are present in the netgroup and hence should be able to mount the exported
 > file system. On the export host (Intel box) I am running  Suse 8.1 and trying to
 > mount the filesystem on a sparc 20 running Solaris 2.5.1.
 > 
 > Can you advise on your solution.
 > 

 I do not recall what was done at the time.  Don't even remember which version 
 of RH I was using :)  I think I used IP address for awhile to get around the
 problem.  Something like the following:

   /home   130.29.208.0/255.255.252.0(rw)
   / 130.29.208.0/255.255.252.0(rw)

 I am currently running RH7.3 clients being accessed from linux and HP-UX 11 
 and 10 and the following works fine in /etc/exports:

   / @netgroup(rw,async)


 > Many thanks.
 > 
 > Michael Coffman nclug@nclug.org
 > Fri, 11 May 2001 07:50:33 -0600 (MDT)
 > 
 >     Previous message: [NCLUG] help, network connections
 >     Next message: [NCLUG] /etc/exports question
 >     Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > I just re-installed my system with the latest KRUD.  I have
 > been using mandrake prior to this without issue.  I am not
 > getting what I think should be the appropriate behaviour from
 > nfs/mountd.  The only enties in my /etc/exports file that seem
 > to allow remote hosts to mount are single host entries.  If I
 > try
 > 
 >   /home @all(rw)   # @all is a valid netgroup and yp is running
 > 
 > I get a "Permission denied" error on the client and following entry in
 > /var/log/messages:
 > 
 >   May 11 07:44:18 critter rpc.mountd: refused mount request from joker for /home
 > (/): no export entry
 > 
 > Same results with the entry:
 > 
 >   /home *.ftc.agilent.com(rw)
 > 
 > But it works if I use:
 > 
 >   /home joker(rw)
 > 
 > I also tried:
 > 
 >   /home 130.29.208.0/28(rw)
 > 
 > With no luck.  I was not sure how to format that last one.  It is a class C
 > network.
 > 
 > Any ideas where to look for why only the host name is working in /etc/exports?
 > 
 > -MichaelC
 > ------------------------------------------------------------------
 > You can observe a lot just by watching. - Yogi Berra
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > --
 > ************************************
 > John Whelan, Dublin City University,
 > Glasnevin, Dublin 9, Ireland.
 > EMAIL: whelanj@eeng.dcu.ie
 > FAX:   +353-1-7005024
 > PHONE: +353-1-7005364
 > ************************************
 > 
 > 
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 > 
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 > http://www.nclug.org/mailman/listinfo/nclug
 > 

-- 
-MichaelC


From listz at hate.cx  Mon Mar 31 11:44:08 2003
From: listz at hate.cx (listz@hate.cx)
Date: Thu Nov 15 10:45:11 2007
Subject: [NCLUG] OpenSSH password prompting
In-Reply-To: <200303300852.h2U8qJW16588@dmsd.com>
References: <200303300852.h2U8qJW16588@dmsd.com>
Message-ID: <20030331184408.GA27234@chaos.enmity.org>

except its not really locked in the classic sense (eg. a "!" before the
password), its based on time current time, the time in sp_lstchg as calculted
from the epoch and the interger in sp_max. it wouldn't be hard if it was just
the ! in front of the password hash.

on Sun Mar 30  1:52, John L. Bass disclosed: 
> listz@hate.cx writes:
> > did i explain that well enough to make sense? does anyone have any
> > thoughts on how to accomplish this? i've tried it with and without UseLogin to
> > no avail. a beer to the anyone who has a solution ;)
> 
> Cron script that looks for locked out accounts, clears the flag and forces
> the users shell to a script that runs passwd before restoring the shell and
> exec'ing it?
> 
> John
> _______________________________________________
> NCLUG mailing list       NCLUG@nclug.org
> 
> To unsubscribe, subscribe, or modify your settings, go to:
> http://www.nclug.org/mailman/listinfo/nclug

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